HyperMerged: Q Engineering LAME EBA VIII/Industrial Strategies
 

Well the company has finally put an offer in print, wrapt up in a nice powerpoint presentation dripping with the usual spin doctoring. All of a sudden it is now imperitive that it is accepted asap! As expected it is full of the usual tricks and ruses: big sticks, wedges, and red herrings.

But as with all things, the devil is in the detail. A thorough perusal of the full document will be needed, because I am told there are a few nasties in there!

Anyone else had the hard sell yet? What did you think?

For a year the company has dragged the chain on a new EBA, now all of a sudden they want an agreement in 2 weeks because of A380 and A330 decision deadlines.

So what are they offering? 3% p.a. which is below CPI; a 3 year agreement right at the start of a looming a/c engineer shortage; salary sacrificed super which will save Qantas money as soon as it is introduced but they decide to use it as a stick because it is worth more to engineering staff; and the only thing of any value - an adjustment to quota levels which will be a benefit to approx. 10% of staff during the life of this eba.

Doesn't provide enough benefits on my calculations, what will the alaea come up with?

Very well summed up. They must think we are stupid and don't talk regularly with the assn executive. When asked why it's taken so long management blamed the union! I know for a fact that is cr@p.

The boys should tell them to stick in their pipe and smoke it.

BNE Heavy Maintenance H3
 

For the information of LAME's at other ports and departments, a 3% per annum deal for the flexibilities that Qantas wants will not be accepted by the LAME's at BNE H3 Heavy Maint. Whats the feeling at other locations?

same old, same old, same pay rise rate, same crap and same result. nothing will ever change, you will all accept it, whine and carry on, but you will vote it in. been going on for decades.

just a side note, the base increase in the aviation industry outside of the sheltered shops of Qf is 4.5% Pa... just sayin..

by all accounts it should be an interesting exec meeting come monday.,once again threatened with the stick of if you dont accept it straight out you will lose the sweatner. Problem is the sweatner only applies to super scheme 1 ,2 & 3 so what about four five and six that already have the option.

also why are we going to pay seniors more when its the workers who do the work ?

i like the tank money might even become a full time tank rat

What about the fat cats who don't fit in a tank any more?

for those that hav no seen the propergander on the intranet From memory

3x3% with backpay
5% one off payment for snrII payment
5% one off payment for pct traineers
increse in quota positions (unsure of degree of change}
increse in fuel tank allowence to $5 per hr
allow salary sacrifice your compusory super contributions
heavey maint efficiences NO DETAILS SUPPLIED (read rdo/dil/ot banks)
I think that covers them, all in all not a bad package when when you have one eye on your bouns at the end of the year!!!!

:{:{:{:{:{:{where is the pineapple

the pineapple is the 3 x 3,that should hurt a bit,looks like there using no lub:}

EBA VIII

I think it should be, as a starting point;

10% now
Salary sacrifice Super contributions
Salary sacrifice Home Loans
P/C travel for old farts
J/C confirmed ALL LAMES
Penalty rates on Long Service Leave
No quota system
No hidden clauses that they always try to sneak in

Qantas say they want an answer in 2 weeks.
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Fine, we will use a Qantas 2 weeks to make the decision.
Happy Easter

EBA tripe
 

The presentation given to us was full of half truths and glaring omissions.

The local manager was clearly rattled during his presentation due to repeated points of clarification by an EBA committee member WRT the above situation.

As previously stated the qouta adjustments affect a very small % of all LAME's covered by the award, likely to assist a few capped out avionics guys at best.

It was clearly pointed out that the vast majority of LAME's who have not benefited by being cross trained with an MA couldn't give a rats toss-bag about A380 work as they stand very little chance of being trained on the creature under EASA licensing rules, training management have clearly stated that only current MA or multi category LAME's will be EASA type trained.

Fantastic future prospects for the minority and F#%* all for the rest. :mad::mad:

As for the rest of the offer, :yuk::yuk::yuk:

I can assure you "MH" and co. nobody cares any more because of your pitiful treatment of the troops!:=

Dear LAME's of QF, please tell them to stick it up their ar$e! yours faithfully, AME pleb.

Apparently QF short haul pilots have just signed off on their EBA, does anybody know what they have agreed to?

EBA
 

Well I cant think of anyone in Sydney happy with the roadshow, whats offered is a joke, its about time an 8 hour roster was introduced to all areas of Sydney, Base, SIT and SDT coupled with a unoffical overtime ban. These morons are beyond repproach, intorduce a so called "New World" that is under resourced from the start, doesnt work but do they come forward and say, Hey guys we made a big mistake, let go back to our previous Status Quo. Instead they introduce the CRAP Team Crtical Response To Aircraft Planning, to bandaid lack of resources all on 12 hours overtime!
Time to tell them we will review and reject the EBA, as for the sweetner, who cares, big stick or not, I think its time the tables were reversed and the Union put up some Balls, instead of crumbling with the A380!

very true
stick the a380 where the sun dont shine I dont care about 25 muppets future, and working in Q i no longer care about anything, management has overplayed its hand, its will be hard to build the place up after running it down so much.despatch relibility is managements fault I was working 2 days off overtime every block and aircraft were still not making sched, I dont work overtime anymore employ some people and spend some money.

Good on ya all.

Stick the EBA where it belongs.

Back to 8hr shifts.

Let the “construction & mining company” maintain QF “Premium Aircraft” (A380). what a :mad: joke, really.

I’ll bet there will be but kicking all the way up to the Boardroom!

QF is walking all over you again & again & again and the young AME’s behind you.

Whats the feeling and the ports?
 

Thanks for the feedback, Hardworker. Does anyone from ports other than SYD and BNE have any info on the feeling in their area about this EBA?

Geoff Dixon 27% Engineers 3% sounds fair to me.

We should have started introducing bans 6 months ago.
Talk to your reps and get things rolling.
3% is an insult to all

What pees me off is that any other industry outside aviation can get pay rises
of 5% or more and yet we in aviation get stuck with the standard 3%.
We are working and signing off on aircraft carrying up to 400 pax or more where safety is paramount and yet management seems to view our job as someone packing shelves at coles/safeway or similar.

enough
 

this exec won on the lets tear em an asshole attitude.

well lets do it ,bring on the o/t ban and higher duty ban immediately ,work to rule 300 defect and recording cpns at every A chk.8hr roster when all else fails.if M wants a stoush give it to him if big K thinks dispatch reliability is in the gutter now wait until xmas ,maint manual printout every job and only correct tooling used ,total safety concepts .


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ithink that covers all welcome to add any ive missed

Well the eba offer is a joke but really did anyone expect otherwise?
M and his buddies are in the poo and now is the time to give it
to them. an official OT ban now ,followed by a higher duties ban
would put a lot of pressure on M. Aircraft reliability is from what
i understand at an all time low and no ot would really sit them on there
ass.
the next move would be to go back to an 8hr roster from our extended
ones and watch the carnage unfold. Just ask anyone from perth.
We have to stop making things work for them and there has never
been a better time than now.
Who cares about the 380 . all qf management are doing is using it as
a carrot. let someone else do it.
I say its time to fight there arseholes.
There new world bull**** hasn't worked, people have lost their jobs,
the aircraft are in a pretty bad shape and all they can do is blame
the union and there own workforce and really they haven't saved a cent!!
I don't know about you guys but I think its time to stand up for ourselves
before the imbiciles running the show do us all out of a job

Qantas Engineering Managment have obvisously been given a directive from above to deal with these over paid LAME'S and settle.
We have not been better placed for years and i think our union excecutive are playing there hands extremely well.Don't sell out

Hi all. I believe now, it is more important than ever, for ALL employees to STICK TOGETHER!!!

ACS, Heavy, Components, Pilots, cabin crew, catering, GSE.... wherever you work, we all hold one thing in common. Management are taking us and the airline for the biggest ride in its 87 year history.

Let's put aside any animosity between departments. Contact your union organisers, It's time to run a COMMON and legal (thanks Johnny), campaign to fight for the sake of Qantas.

Yes, our jobs and our wages are nowadays at stake. Equally as important, so too is the once highly held reputation that Qantas once enjoyed

Management can buy as many planes as they like however, if they are not maintained to the once great Qantas standard, if they are not flown by the once highly skilled pilots Qantas once had and the passengers are not catered for by the once motivated and content cabin crews Qantas once had, the planes will be unreliable and dangerous to fly in. The pilots will be substandard and the crew just won't care. Passengers will look elsewhere.

Scum like Geoff Dixon and David Cox are holding us AND the good name of Qantas to ransom to feed their own greed.

Enough is enough. Time to take action to protect Qantas, your job and ultimately, the safety of the flying public.

Fill your fuel tanks boys. The 8 hour is coming. Have heard that the Exec will be requesting 8 hour rosters for all on 27th November.

BTW my manager was out selling the EBA yesterday and I sat there listening wondering what the hell we will be giving up to get this 3% windfall. I thought it sounded too good to be true and I was right. It may surprise many of you but they actually want something that they weren't telling us about. The missing pages from the presentation read -

Some minor ammendments to the way disputes are handled. If the Asn wants to represent you in the AIRC the Commissioner must take into account the XPT case which gives management the right to make any decision that benifits the company. This is the no-man transit clause gents.

Some minor changes to the definition of employee. LAMEs will now be able to be employed as AMEs and paid as such until they sit a company LAME induction course. Thats why we haven't advertised for LAMEs in over 2 years even though we are so short that delays are at an all time high.

Unlimited part timers and casuals. Thats right unlimited. But remember guys this is a lifestyle choice that suits many families. We will make that choice for you. Don't bother moonlighting to feed your families either, we have banned that as well.

So vote yes. You are only overpaid LAMEs anyway. If you do management will give you long term job security until we can get some 457 visa holders from China to take your job.

Hook Line and Sinker
 

There are a number of LAME's trotting around the joint saying "this deal is not too bad!"
They know squat.
There are managers who when asked about the dispute resolution and definition of an employee clauses are answering "oh that's nothing" or "that wont apply to you"
Who do you trust? Trust only your gut. Read boys and girls, read the document when it is released from the Bexly bunker and for gods sake read it from a management perspective!
If these provisions "mean nothing" or are irrelevant, then the priques can cut them.

Hook, Line & Stinker
 

Anything in the document WILL apply to EVERYONE.

QF do not put items in, for the benefit of the workers!

Just the same old illusions to screw you bit by bit.

BIG bit this time. :=

LAMEs spend years of training getting their license and now they want to disrespect us like that.
I smell a big red rat.
The 457 visa thing is not far off also.
Many companies are already doing this citing a skills shortage.
What a load of crock.It is not a skilled shortage,it is the conditions they want you to work under.The government is turning a blind eye to this.
VOTE NO.

Part of the M training package.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So_Fv...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLpng...eature=related

Does this sound like QF management?

Sure does to me.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6DmV7D...eature=related

It explains why all the junior managers are pushing this deal as "a good package". Goes someway to explaining why most of the plastic trinkets in the package are aimed at supervisors and senior lames - "The backbone of the plan to bust the unions".

well its tuesday and what has come from bexley so far ? waiting with baited breath

as was expected
 

There is now a notice from the Bexley bunker, re the misrepresented QF version of the EBA. :yuk:

I received the Notice from the ALAEA at 4pm

Have you got on the ALAEA mailing list chemical alli?

Mendaero, just have a quick flick through the forums and you will understand why Chemical Alli made the inference that we "haven't heard" from the association.

mmmmmmm

So you say we don't get day by day blow by blow accounts of what happens at the asn, yet notices come out every week :mad:

I say all you winging t#@ds should walk a mile in their shoes, after all they are volunteers against full time protagonists who get paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars to fk us over :yuk:

I simply appreciate the fact that if you ask they answer from President to councilor on any subject they have their phone numbers freely available or ring the office they will put you through to them ;)

I say keep up good work present exec it's good to have someone fighting for us again :ok:

PS Tell QF that the A380 deal is SIA (Stick in A$$) :E

PPS Hows about our former Fed Sec getting the job in France fkn unbelievable, no graft and corruption here at QF :eek:

when i said waiting with baited breath,
i am .
i wasnt haven a go.
this eba alone will determine the execs standing long and behold ,morale so far in the gutter,total cluster over the 380 selection process that the company undertook.and a thinly worded eba presentation ,presented by managers who had no answers ,who werent even involved in the eba process.
yes i am on the mailing list and havent received a notice as yet.as i said waiting with baited breath for the exec direction.

united we stand ,together we fall

notice is out exec meeting with company on 27th nov ,no longer waiting with baited breath

Did it suitably take your baited breath away ?