heard there was going to be a meeting in sydney today on the alaea and eba with acs managers anyone with any news for interstate lames ?

PIOT, word around is that Cox's letter has been the best motivation for the ALAEA yet.

Fair Pay
 

For those who think they are on a good wicket $$$ at QE, don't be blinded. Take out shift penalties/OT and other allowances and see how it looks for a big city wage. Will not be so pretty then.

Rip it into them, otherwise it will be the same old story in 3 years from now.

SP.

I hear that the company had another presentation again yesterday, suggesting to the LAME's that they will lose 4hrs pay if they take action.

Isn't it more like if you have a stop work meeting!? :ugh::ugh:

More untruth's to scare the workers...

Vote now everyone, one for the person that keeps the airline flying...

I am happy to give them 4 hours pay right now to show we mean business.
I am more concerned with the future of Aus Engineering and Aircraft Safety than 4 hours pay!
:cool:

^yep there are a few that feel that way, you may not be alone in that sentiment...

:cool:

I have no problem with that.:)

PS

And have K Brown match it!

had a call from a mate up in Brisbane. Apparently, Cox held a meeting along with their manager. He went on for 5 mins with his crap then called for questions..... SILENCE!!!! both cox and their manager got very pissed that nobody had any questions. hahahahahaha well done boys!!! Hope he faces the same silence everywhere he goes!

lets see if my post makes it here this time... http://theqfacts.*************

Twas a very good meeting
Silence is golden
The only thing I heard was 'lying c**nt' spoken under the breath from the back row
Arvo shift backed up with more of the same

Was This Bris Heavy?

Yes it was BNE Heavy...Was great to see the boys remain tight lipped,even though their blood is boiling. Mr Cox left the room very quickly and obviously frustrated at the lack of feed back from the boys.
Well done....Reminded me of something I saw on TV not to long ago...:ok:

Heard he got the same dose of silence from the Line boys.

Maybe there is just nothing more that is needed to be said.

Can't wait for him to do the rounds down here.

Slicker has excelled himself at the Sydney meeting again with his charismatic presentation style - "You will vote no, and you will be thankful for what we offered, or there will be consequences" (abbreviated translation).

From the efforts of DC, MH and KM at these meetings it seems they are working hard to make sure that the YES vote gets up. Go figure!!!!!

I figure ...

Dixon and Co have very deep pockets and they do want a fight.

With the resolve of LAMEs in the past ... why wouldn't they pick one?

One hopes that we can see that this battle will curb the 'change' we had to have. Remember your employer wants no part of you in this current form to look after its new fleet.

So much for valuing the professionalism of LAMEs in the past.

Most of us despise the direction we're going in now ... MAKE A STAND.

I've started to choose lifestyle over O/T already, and gee I seem to be unwell a bit lately also. How are you guys feeling? Make sure you take plenty of me time!

Oh and that delegation/supervision thingy, I just can't seem to look after that many guys, these days, I guess I'm just not dealing with the pressure, I'll just back off a bit and slow down.

Anyway I hope you guys are keeping well.............relaxed!:)

Remember Safety before Schedule

MENDAERO

Isn't this cr@p from DC MH & KM boardering on Harassment? :=
Isn't that against Policy?..................................... :=
Isn't that punishable? ................................:=
What does the Board think about this? :=

i agree i am feeling fatigued and stressed ,time to use some of those 100+ sickies i think.oh if called for o/t perfect response i have just finished my 5th beer

Good work everyone, spread the news.

Yes we should all work smarter and don't forget the safety before schedule and take 5.

i have a question to all the regular **** stirers on this thread -why would the company offer us more than the 3% they have offered the other unions.?

^ because were not the only department who deserves more than 3% and its time we all stood up for ourselves and made a stand!!!! we're all sick and tired of bending over and copping a big one

because there is a skills shortage:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Because someone has to break the mold.

But also, we are supposed to be separate business units, with all this segmentation they speak of. Therefore other business units EBA's, should have no bearing on our EBA claim.

With your theory, we should be offered a 30% pay cut and an increase in working hours for new starters, but protect our legacy arse's with a measly 3%.

We may all work for the same airline, but your comparing apples to oranges.:rolleyes:

because unlike flight attendants, we aren't a profession that is able to be trained in 1 week and able to become strike breakers;
becuase there is a countrywide shortage of AME's let alone qantas type LAMEs;
because 3% doesn't pay the bills these days;
because of the principle of having the perpetual axe swinging over the heads of the LAME's across Qantas is wearing a bit thin, if they want to outsource a particular maintenance function of an aircraft, then do it, the engineers don't care anymore, its not worth bending over again and again to accept the so called flexibilities that qantas require the LAME's to accept so to secure the future of lames within Qantas. They don't offer job security(a verbal doesn't mean jack from these guys) there is nothing in writing to protect anything they verbally agree to, and until that is the case, don't believe a thing any manager says. simple.

Look past the 3%, look deeper into the document, thats where the BIG issues lie. :yuk:

Who's stirring the ****...

Most are just saying how they feel and commenting on what is happening.

Because Qantas has been in "a purple patch" for the last couple of years, which looks like it is continuing. The board and management have awarded themselves obscene pay rises while those people who have built the company over many years can't crack any thing more than 3% as the sky is about to fall in.

The crap about losing 4 hours of pay might be a little nastier than it looks,the way the fc and that dill cox read the legislation might mean losing 4 hours minimum for each piece of industrial action.... including refusal of overtime. so the theory goes everyday you have off they will ring you and ask you to come in if you refuse and have a history of doing ot then you will lose 4 hours from your normal pay.. personally I will be far too drunk to come in :}

if you are unavailable due to health or family reasons it a big ask, maybe we should all just stop doing overtime between now and new year and see how they cope? let them struggle and see who will break ranks

Concerned
 

I'm Very Concerned Where This Will All End.

Living in fear of your employer - NOW I am concerned.

adenuffofqf - I think we all have, however I have to disagree with the fear campaign being spread by DC and the Oompalumpah. The Alaea has had advice and issued it in a memo, QF can't call you up at home and dock 4 hours pay if you are unavailable.

If you happen to be sick of being intoxicated each time they call, try "I'm providing primary care for my children during the school holidays", "I'm having a couple of days away with my partner", "I was willing to do extra O/T to help the company with the dispatch reliability problem that 'snuck up' on the management team, but my doctor has advised me to cut back - it's becoming a duty of care issue".

Anybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong...Our current EBA states that we agree to do a "reasonable amount of overtime". I am sure most throughout the network have already done a reasonable amount year to date.
As far as the scaremongering goes...the only way they can take money from you is for any time away from your place of work during your normal shift. They cannot take money from you for failing to do OT or acting in a higher duties position or secondment for that matter....
Personally I believe it displays the desperation starting to set in and the reality of what may occur if the ballot gets up....
Qantas was once a place that most enjoyed working ,now it has become a trough for the highrachy to scoff profits from off the backs of the employees..We are saying now more...What we ask is not unreasonable considering GDs anouncement of record profits once again.
End of Rant
Cheers

everybody already does a reasonable amount of overtime ,its called avot on your pay slip and you need not do anymore.this scare mongering is absolute garbage,they cannont doc you for being unavailable,its protected industrial action,forget the threats and just do what you think is rite ,by yourself and your peers

The Purple Patch
 

Piot Bord
Good point! While everyone else has to be aware of the company's tenacious position and work harder and smarter etc, the upper echelon have their snouts deeply in the trough drinking the purple. But the workers must endure the 3% only pay rise for these "Purple Patches"will not last and we must abstain from being greedy, for it will soon be apon us etc etc etc

TIME EX care to elaborate? I'm keen to hear everyones views.

BTW, I hope everyone has mailed their vote and don't forget to remind your work mates to do the same.

The company can not force you to do O/T. We know from the Perth dispute. We even had nasty letters from PS and still it didn't work. If they state you must do a reasonable amount of O/T ask them what a reasonable amount is?
They will never quote it as then they are obliged to give it to you when they don't require it.
Mr Cox your letter the other day backfired. It made me vote yes even more.You think we are so shallow that deducting 4 hrs off us makes any difference. Listen please-we are sick of your constant threats!!!!From you and your leadership team. It doesn't work! Never think we are idiots. We have no respect for any of you-how could we. How did you get that position, you haven't actually done anything constructive, only destructive. You guys are so out of touch!

Did you ever find out who took the pictures in the elevator? Lucky the EEL worked on QF1 in the golf course that time but of course its a quality issue not an Airworthiness one!
Oh and the 5ft crack on then fuse of the 744 ex MAS because of grinding wheels-another quality lapse! Lucky the next D check was done in AUS where they actually remove blankets and inspect things. Not just sign them off as they do in SIN. Your cheese holes will line up one day!:=

You can not be docked, unless you attend a STOP work meeting.

OT refusal because of human factors is a good way out, you can not possibly do overtime if you are feeling fatigued.

Make sure you send your votes everyone, not long left!!