Hear, Hear !!! :ok::ok::ok:

Wow! Crunch time is fast approaching! There was a time when I worried about my future at Qantas. Now I don't give a f^%#k at all. The place is fast going downhill.

Once the industrial action kicks in, there is bound to be disruption to services. I am confident that the association is planning a media statement to counter the inevitable attack that Cox will unleash through his own media statement. I have a suggestion.

The association should set up a website with factual information as to why its members are taking the action. Website hosting and domain names are cheap nowdays. something like QFacts.com.au (it's not taken!) The PPT that members received would be a good starting point. I have noticed that the print media tends to link to websites more often nowdays. It would be a chance to present a very clear and convincing case to the general public.

Voting philosophy
 

Don't be a dope
make sure you Vote!:ok:

Post by the 17th better to do it today and encourage others as well.;)

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this vote for Industrial Action related to advancing claims in the QF offered EBA? I just can't see how any improved offer is going to change the way LAMEs think about current management at this moment.

What?
 

This is the LAME EBA v111 thread. The EBA has a VOTE! on at the moment
But I guess the vote could also be an indicator of the distrust and lack of confidence in the current management!

How can you manage without the support of your troops?
 

Total disengagement of the workforce due to complete incompetence should result in a change of management to fix the problems:confused:

I would accept 3% if they sacked M and his David Cock.

I am sure it is not so much the lousy 3%

BUT it's all the rest of the cr@p! :=

The money is sad but they are trying to lower there cost base, its the workplace changes I object to, they could lead to carnage down the track.

There are some days when I come to work and read the ususal garbage, management diatribe and RandS rubbish on my work email system but today was different. I and the others in the section p*ssed ourselves with the latest attempt by management to scuttle the EBA Industrial Action ballot over the email system with their usual threats of offshoring and loss of work. The latest gaff of course from none other than the usual Qantas overachiever in the propoganda stakes Mr David Cox.

To put this in perspective it must be understood that Mr Cox has sent this threatening email to all LAMEs at Qantas plus, every Engineering manager, DMMs, all Hr managers and Kevin Brown.

One ALAEA member decided that his utter rubbish deserved a response. Instead of hittig the reply button, it appears that the reply all has accidentely been hit. Response as follows-

Dear Sir,

My name is Bob ******. I'm a LAME in Brisbane Heavy Maintenance. I will keep this to te point.
Until now I was unsure which way I would vote in the upcoming ALAEA ballot. I no longer have any doubts. Your email, that I find both condescending and insulting, has convinced me that protected action is the only possible option. I will also encourage as many members of the ALAEA to pursue the same course of action.




Good one Bob, I don't think it will take long to convince others to support the action. It looks like Cox has done most of the work for you.

Don't think he accidently hit reply all mahatma.
Good on ya Bob
Did DC actually think that email would have a positive responce.
I certainly haven't haven't been strolling around telling the troops what a great offer they've put on the table.
Vote early and vote wisely

Have you got the Letter yet, what a sad sorry t$rd!
 

Copping the shyt in the mail today as well from this over rewarded buffoon.

Tragic he does not see the problem. Does not his most valuable assets deserve some reward and recognition as well.
Don't see him stumbling to accept 29% plus $3 million in shares for totally stuffing engineering!
Give it up Cox you blow your trumpet too often.:=:yuk:

Don't worry before it really hits the fan he will pick up his marbles and move on to his next disaster and say "Well that never happened while I was in charge!"
Sound familiar....The corporate war cry. LOL

"We can build nuclear reactors"

Romulus, Are you referring to the new Lucas Heights one ?

They still don't get it do they.
At the 11th hr they are threatening people!
Can you believe it!
Instead of going out and trying to mediate the situation
they are pulling the old QF heavy handedness.
WE ARE SICK OF YOUR BS DAVE!!!!!!
Nothing you have done has made the operation run
more efficently . GET IT

Where is the plan for the future dave?
Where is the shared vision dave?
There isn't any is there dave
all you have done is totally pissed your staff off dave!
In case you still don't understand it means that we
are all totally disengaged dave

You can talk the talk but you sure as hell
arn't walking the walk.
You and your so called leadership team have destroyed
engineering by your neglect and failure to listen to the
people who know the job.
You could have run the place like clockwork and saved
heaps of money.
Instead you listen to the wanna be's who will talk your
new world speel and tell you what you want to hear.
And worse you have put people who have no idea what
they are doing into management positions!
M what a goose!!!
You and your team are FRAUDS.
Tell me one thing that you have implemented that has
actually made us more efficiant or compeditive ?
Yeah that's right
NOTHING
So go on threaten me
You have told me for so long that you are going to send everything
offshore that I really don't care anymore
and all you are doing now is proving that you have
totally lost control
Well done dave!

I can't wait for the action to start........the planners had better set up a shortcut button on their PC's for printing DR&R's !!
Also, ACS boys, get ready for them to send out the SEM cavalry to do any engine work they can find..........and expect you LAME's to 'buy-back' their dodgy PE DR&R's......
.....but if it's up to their usual standard we'll be peeling plastic from the ducts a few days later...........

There's Lean Sigma......you can get a black belt! WTF
Then there is "The Bridge of Trust"....What as misnomer that is.
And Intelligent Space.......I wonder if DC has found any of that.
And there's probably lots more great stuff that has been done
I thought of one more.....The White Boards and the magnets....oh yes they were just great,
specially when the SLAMEs had to get out and make sure they were up to date before end of shift.
What a crock!

There may be only 135 posts on this topic, but it has been viewed more than 9000 times. To those of you who do not post, no prob .... but be ACTIVE in casting this very important vote.

just 2 letters in the post today, 1 shredded, 1 vote posted :ok:

Just wandering down to post mine now.
Feels goooood:)

As the great Teddy Whitten used to say when the Vics beat SA In the VFL "we stuck it up them".Go the ALAEA.

just received my dear john letter from dc,it hurt me really bad and deep especially the sharp edges when i wiped my ass with it

Good work everyone, what a lovely response, cast your vote, (say your piece) and sit back and watch.

Good to see that momentum is starting to build.

Unity required, unity building!!

Company Spy
Funnest Thing I Heard All Day!!
Rectinol Could Possibly Help

go for it boys and girls,we got the same spin yr in yr out in relation to outsourcing HM syd ,we ate their sh!t sandwich and we still got shut down,nothing these pricks say has any truth ,do it for the people in H245 .GOOD LUCK:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

EBA
 

A few things to consider: 1. If the vote gets up and industrial action is taken, we WILL improve the EBA offer. History proves this. 2. If the vote goes down, the first thing Ian and Sue will say to the ALAEA negotiating committee is: “you have misread your membership, the negotiation is over” and we will be stuck with the current offer. The negotiating committee needs your support to progress the negotiation. You need to consider this vote not so much as a vote for or against industrial action but more as a vote for or against acceptance of the current QF EBA offer. 3. Casting your own vote in the affirmative is only the first step. To use a QF phrase, you need to take “ownership” of this vote and encourage your colleagues to vote accordingly. Just remember, the ALAEA submitted to 3% outcomes for years and years but it still didn’t save Sydney HM. Nothing is different this time. Accepting 3% now will NOT guarantee your employment. QF are the first to admit that there are no guarantees ever. They will “work to the EBA” end of story. The exec have done their part, the ball is now in the memberships court. If the vote goes down, the membership will only have themselves to blame. Get active. Tell others to read PPRUNE and this thread. Print it out and take it to work. Rant over…

Just posted mine. Bring on the war:ok:.

received,box marked, signed and back at the post office in record time.......
bring it on........

quoted from said letter


this is not the time for a "wait and see attitude" please do not be swayed by peer pressure, but make a considered decision based on whether you support the business that does and will employ you in the future.

tell it to the h245 guys and girls who voted for effeicencies only to be shafted by you dc.

what you reap you sow, voted ,posted and telling the world. its now on the members heads so stop bitching and have your say.

Sounds like the boot is poised right behind DC's backside ready to strike.
Lest we forget HM Sydney.

With Qantas announcing today a projected 40% increase in profit for next year to 1.4 billion, I think it is time to show us the money and 3% ain't it.

From todays Australian... Move aside boys, nothing for us here..... the trough is for Dixons nose only. What an insult!

As an AME in Heavy 'bring it on'. Although the overtime bans are going to hurt some of us AME's the bigger picture has to be seen as the 3% wage increases are a now going to be a thing of the past. We need a BIG union within Qantas like the ALAEA to break this pathetic wage increase when CPI increases have been well above 3%!

We are losing more and more LAME's each day, Virgin Tech, Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines and now John Holland down in Melbourne, why, because people are sick and tired working longer hours for bugger all wage increases. People are filling in for Supervisor's, Foremans and Managers with no replacements, enough is enough!

Stay united fella's like the nurses did with their dispute and lets show Qantas that 3% is no way a fare wage increase these days.

Look forward to when our EBA expires so that we too can go for a greater CPI increase!

Oh by the way tell them to stick their work flexibilities also!

My vote is in
QANTAS V ALAEA........LETS RUMBLE!

Using a base of 100. This is the relative change earnings comparing Dixon, Aust Ave, QF Lame and the share price.
In 2003 the share price was around 3.8 to 4.9 range

Thus in 2003 all are 100
Dixon Aust Ave QF Lame Share Price
100.....100........100.........100
In 2007
152.....125........115.........135

Do you really think GD is being fair anyone. His relative take is greater than the return to share holders (not including div's). He is gangbusters against LAME's. I wonder where middle management would fair in this exercise.

Of course GD is unique. He is rates customers and employees as insignificant, "only the shareholders are important". So I doubt he will miss our overtime, higher duties and secondment in January. Perhaps GD will get a truck load of shareholders in to change a few wheels when needed?

I just wonder if Marg is thinking "you'd have to be mental not to take the 3%"

perhaps we'd even settle for no pay rise at all.........

....as long as DC, MH, KM etc are all turfed out the door and replaced with quality managers......


hey, here's an idea, subcontract the management of ACS to Lufthansa, just like JTS in Tulla ?!

Perhaps if GD and PG had kept there take to 3% the impending strife may have been averted. Why are they SO GREEDY? GREED GREED and more GREED. It makes me physically sick.

I see wonderful friends helping kids in need, cancer victims and kids suffering from abuse and them you see the GD's in the world. He is not alone and I don't want to sound personal there are plenty who's GOD is money. Lets hope we get a Gerry Harvey type CEO before not to long. Even bring back Tubby.

However even if they had shown restraint over the years this is by far the worst group of incompetent managers I have seen together for a while. I think individually there have been worse performers but as a group my memory can't remember a group to beat these.

I am afraid VR may have been a better option than what lies ahead for QF ENG.

just remember xmas cards are playing strife with postal voting so get em in early and give dc and gd an early xmas pressy

Dave ... received my letter today, at home ... ah, and thank you for making up my mind.

Ticked, signed and posted.