QF Flight Attendants Strike?
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QF Flight Attendants Strike?
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knows the reasons behind the F/As strike next week. In the current climate it seems a bit short sighted.
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Very constructive Frankie. As usual your input is exemplary. Keep it up champ. Maybe one day.
It is both stupid and irresponsible to strike now when the world is in such disarray. Qantas still offered 3 + 3% bonus.
It is both stupid and irresponsible to strike now when the world is in such disarray. Qantas still offered 3 + 3% bonus.
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See "QF Strikebreakers" under Cabin Crew:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=82122
"Here's a warning for all of those, mostly ex AN crew, who have been shortlisted in the recent QF recruitment drive.
If you were one of those contacted by QF in Sydney this morning and innocently asked if it would be okay if they forwarded your personnel 'jacket' to MAM for a possible two days training over the weekend and a subsequent three days work early next week then before you say yes, do yourself a favour and ask 'what th...?'............"
Very interesting goings on.
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=82122
"Here's a warning for all of those, mostly ex AN crew, who have been shortlisted in the recent QF recruitment drive.
If you were one of those contacted by QF in Sydney this morning and innocently asked if it would be okay if they forwarded your personnel 'jacket' to MAM for a possible two days training over the weekend and a subsequent three days work early next week then before you say yes, do yourself a favour and ask 'what th...?'............"
Very interesting goings on.
Wirraway
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Douglas, first of all you ask for the reasons behind cabcrew action, and eight minutes later you are sufficiently informed that you believe their union is misleading them?? Give us a break!
.....How long's this strike been going for????
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It is up to each individual Captain to ensure the operational integrity of his/her crew. Methinks a few appropriate EP's questions to the new recruits, pre-departure, would allay fears.
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Yeah really tough ones like how do you disarm this door. Or what service do you run on a syd-bn sector. That would really sort out the "safety professionals" from these pretenders.
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I'll do you a deal, when you have an epiphany and miraculously find yourself able to rejoin the other adults and conduct conversations on topics other than aeroplanes then I will stop pushing a cart for a living.
Guess I'll be pushing a cart for the rest of my days!
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I'll do you a deal, when you have an epiphany and miraculously find yourself able to rejoin the other adults and conduct conversations on topics other than aeroplanes then I will stop pushing a cart for a living.
Guess I'll be pushing a cart for the rest of my days!
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frank and ACB -
I think you're being a bit harsh - he could probably tell you how many chicks he (thinks) he has pulled and discuss that in length.
qfpaypacket -
You're the very reason we have a cockpit door. It's easier to ignore your kind.
Buster -
That's funny....
I think you're being a bit harsh - he could probably tell you how many chicks he (thinks) he has pulled and discuss that in length.
qfpaypacket -
You're the very reason we have a cockpit door. It's easier to ignore your kind.
Buster -
That's funny....
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QFCABIN. So what you really mean to say is that you are too embarresed to say why the F/as are striking? I just think that you could be playing into the hands of management. No body is irreplaceable these days. Stck your head out of the galley sometime and have a look at what has been happening in this industry for the last 14 years.
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Douglas -
The Long Haul cabin crew are striking to achieve recognition of the fact they have has crew removed from the cabin yet the number of pax has increased. If the crew reduction has saved the company X amount then I don't see it unreasonable to expect a share of that. After all - they ARE working harder as a result. You can't dispute that they work harder as a result of crew reduction. Simple really. In effect they are doing more work for less money (if they accept 3%).
Last year Qantas committed itself (in writing) to discussing the above as a means of recognising this significant contribution. They have done nothing but walk away from this obligation.
The Long Haul cabin crew are striking to achieve recognition of the fact they have has crew removed from the cabin yet the number of pax has increased. If the crew reduction has saved the company X amount then I don't see it unreasonable to expect a share of that. After all - they ARE working harder as a result. You can't dispute that they work harder as a result of crew reduction. Simple really. In effect they are doing more work for less money (if they accept 3%).
Last year Qantas committed itself (in writing) to discussing the above as a means of recognising this significant contribution. They have done nothing but walk away from this obligation.
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Ditzy, I didn't realise that CASA had changed the 1 crew per 36(I think) pax! I would've thought that was a legislative change. Or, was it that QF, like AN at times, overcrewed the flights to appease mobs like the FAAA or just to have a higher level of personal service? Maybe the more pax you mention, come from being on a bigger aircraft?
Perhaps, you had it good before & now you've lost it. Oh, and before you have a hissy fit, I had it good too you know.
Perhaps, you had it good before & now you've lost it. Oh, and before you have a hissy fit, I had it good too you know.
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Buster -
Hissy fit? Please - I am a flight attendant!
No seriously, the aircraft have more pax due to configuration changes. The service/product has increased too and by taking off a crew member it HAS increased everyone's workload. This process has saved LOTS of money. That is a result of the harder work of Long Haul cabin crew. Why shouldn't they want more money for doing ALOT more? Really their workload has increased signicantly and they should be compensated. They are asking for a small part of their contribution.
Also the main point of the strike is QF have refused to discuss the issue, which they committed to do in writing. The FAAA just want the chance to give the issue the attention it deserves. QF don't seem to think it is that big an issue but try to put yourself in the shoes of a Long Haul FA.
What sort of workforce and union would stand by and see their conditions being ERODED?!? They would be stupid in not trying to protect what they already have/had! (By the way, I believe a further crew reduction is in the pipline...)
The phrase "being rogered" pretty much sums it up well.
Hissy fit? Please - I am a flight attendant!
No seriously, the aircraft have more pax due to configuration changes. The service/product has increased too and by taking off a crew member it HAS increased everyone's workload. This process has saved LOTS of money. That is a result of the harder work of Long Haul cabin crew. Why shouldn't they want more money for doing ALOT more? Really their workload has increased signicantly and they should be compensated. They are asking for a small part of their contribution.
Also the main point of the strike is QF have refused to discuss the issue, which they committed to do in writing. The FAAA just want the chance to give the issue the attention it deserves. QF don't seem to think it is that big an issue but try to put yourself in the shoes of a Long Haul FA.
What sort of workforce and union would stand by and see their conditions being ERODED?!? They would be stupid in not trying to protect what they already have/had! (By the way, I believe a further crew reduction is in the pipline...)
The phrase "being rogered" pretty much sums it up well.
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What are we talking about in dollar terms in what QF have saved by having one less f/a on certain flights?
It seems they are defeating the purpose to give a payrise to everyone to compensate for the extra workload, when it would have been better to leave everything like it was before ie with the 'extra' f/a?
What are we talking about in dollar terms in what QF have saved by having one less f/a on certain flights?
It seems they are defeating the purpose to give a payrise to everyone to compensate for the extra workload, when it would have been better to leave everything like it was before ie with the 'extra' f/a?
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Miss -
I understand your point but is quite a large amount of money. I don't know the $$ amount - I just do the coffee.... The cabin crew are only asking for a SMALL amount of the saving in recognition of the fact THEY WORK HARDER. The strike is about QF's unwillingness to discuss the issue even though they said they would.
I understand your point but is quite a large amount of money. I don't know the $$ amount - I just do the coffee....
The cabin crew are only asking for a SMALL amount of the saving in recognition of the fact THEY WORK HARDER. The strike is about QF's unwillingness to discuss the issue even though they said they would.
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Ditzy.
I guess my point is that the rulings of crews per pax haven't changed on the aircraft, from a safety perspective. Service levels are an altogether different matter. I remember being in AN first class on a MEL-CBR sector at dinner time. The crew worked liked cut cats to get the full meal & bar service done in time. I was actually a bit tardy & the CM came up to me & said; "It's not MEL-SIN you know!" My only point being, that under the law, they cannot go below a certain standard, however, from a service standpoint there is no definative number of crew per level of service. In which case, you have a contentious point with your company.
Anyway, fight the good fight &, at the very least, do it for the staff that are about to be shafted again!!
BOHICA!!!!
I guess my point is that the rulings of crews per pax haven't changed on the aircraft, from a safety perspective. Service levels are an altogether different matter. I remember being in AN first class on a MEL-CBR sector at dinner time. The crew worked liked cut cats to get the full meal & bar service done in time. I was actually a bit tardy & the CM came up to me & said; "It's not MEL-SIN you know!"
My only point being, that under the law, they cannot go below a certain standard, however, from a service standpoint there is no definative number of crew per level of service. In which case, you have a contentious point with your company.Anyway, fight the good fight &, at the very least, do it for the staff that are about to be shafted again!!
BOHICA!!!!