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went to see ops mmgr at Mt Cook and they prefer you going in and seeing them in person, rather than posting or phoning, I guess this show keen interest in wanting to work for Mt Cook. On the day most applicants will be trying there best to be the best option for their employer. I hear from friends alot in the airlines that the big thing is finding the people who have the right attitude, and this is done alot by friends, family and the likes putting your name fwd. This can be a double edged sword, someone trying to get you a job when you might not be up to it, probably won't be asked there opinion again. Getting the chop in the initial stages would also put the damper on career aspirations.
Hog, you said don't get you started about Mt Cook have you had an interview??? Eagle interviewing also can leave alot to be desired.
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Hog, you said don't get you started about Mt Cook have you had an interview??? Eagle interviewing also can leave alot to be desired.
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Hog, you said don't get you started about Mt Cook have you had an interview??? Eagle interviewing also can leave alot to be desired.
As for whether or not I've had an interview, I don't think that's really applicable given the context of the statements I actually made.
Thirdly; the actual thread started out talking about Eagles interviewing techniques and the need for a sim ride at Ardmore.....
Eurocap; I understand that some people will do anything to get a job, but really; how far is going too far???
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Not accusing you of the first point but am saying that employers use family and friends to back up what they see at the interview because at the interview people want to portray what they think is the best candidate for the job. Sometimes that ain't who/what they actually are.
Hear Eagle are interviewing again today WED and doing SIM rides tomorrow.
Good luck to all.
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Not accusing you of the first point but am saying that employers use family and friends to back up what they see at the interview because at the interview people want to portray what they think is the best candidate for the job. Sometimes that ain't who/what they actually are.
Hear Eagle are interviewing again today WED and doing SIM rides tomorrow.
Good luck to all.
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Using referees of any kind is common practice in any industry and I don't have a problem with that...... Using people to get you in interview in the first place makes the playing field a bit uneven, I think...... As I have previously said, how far is going too far to try and get a job.....
Is taking the boss out for drinks OK? What about 'favours' of any kind? We all know the rumour of how some people got their jobs!
How far is going too far???? Is it right and/or fairplay???
Is taking the boss out for drinks OK? What about 'favours' of any kind? We all know the rumour of how some people got their jobs!
How far is going too far???? Is it right and/or fairplay???
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I am not in the business to confirm or deny.
In the past I have commented on other issues, ie, ATC, other airlines etc. etc. Does that make me an Air Traffic Controller or an emplyee of an airline?
Once again this is a forum where one has the oppertunity to comment without disclosure. Lets keep it that way.
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I am not in the business to confirm or deny.
In the past I have commented on other issues, ie, ATC, other airlines etc. etc. Does that make me an Air Traffic Controller or an emplyee of an airline?
Once again this is a forum where one has the oppertunity to comment without disclosure. Lets keep it that way.
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Hope you get an answer!
I posted about 4 pages ago asking what hours they were asking for, and still no to$$er has came up with a figure!
Someone must know what the turboprop boys get in on (need to know before potentially wasting NZ$ 000's
Someone must know what the turboprop boys get in on (need to know before potentially wasting NZ$ 000's
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CT7 you impied that starting pay was 32k surley they must have sector/duty pay to top that up.
I dont surpose anyone out there is willing to tell me what the starting pay for AirNZ F/O would be ?
I dont surpose anyone out there is willing to tell me what the starting pay for AirNZ F/O would be ?
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You don't start in Air NZ as an F/O; you start as a S/O in the majority of the cases...... the pay is not great, I think I've heard figures of the early 40's and don't forget there are pilots in Air NZ that have been S/O's for coming up 10 years now, so don't expect to move too quickly off a pretty crappy salary.
Anti Skid On: I'm sorry, I thought someone had answered your question many pages ago.... ie; 100 hours multi and 1000 hours total. I think their initial rate of pay is in the low to mid 30's, which in NZ is incredibly hard to live on, especially if your still paying off your flying and don't have rich relatives to scroung off!
Yes, there will be allowances on top of that but they arn't anything to write home about from what I understand. The other bad thing about allowances is that you can't count on them. Banks in NZ don't count them in trying to get homeloans and they can dry up pretty quickly when alot of standby's come your way.
I've just heard that another couple of Eagle pilots have been called up for round 2 at Air NZ, so I'd say that 'pool' of pilots needed for Eagle will definately be needed!
Anti Skid On: I'm sorry, I thought someone had answered your question many pages ago.... ie; 100 hours multi and 1000 hours total. I think their initial rate of pay is in the low to mid 30's, which in NZ is incredibly hard to live on, especially if your still paying off your flying and don't have rich relatives to scroung off!
Yes, there will be allowances on top of that but they arn't anything to write home about from what I understand. The other bad thing about allowances is that you can't count on them. Banks in NZ don't count them in trying to get homeloans and they can dry up pretty quickly when alot of standby's come your way.
I've just heard that another couple of Eagle pilots have been called up for round 2 at Air NZ, so I'd say that 'pool' of pilots needed for Eagle will definately be needed!
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Ground course offered
Just had a call from a good friend today who was in the last round of interviews. He has been offered a ground course in mid Dec no other info as to a start date. But I welcomed him into the fold none the less.
As for the Air NZ SO pay scale that was beeing refered to. You start on $40k once you start on the line, but after 12 months from when you started your initial training (not line training) that goes up to around $80 plus allowances. The guys who have been in the back seat for up to 10 years are sitting on around $100k plus allowances. Not a bad wicket for being able to stay in NZ and pass the tea/coffee forward. But I do prefer Cathays approach to the SO position (one of the few other airlines that have them QF included.) where you are a SO for a max of 5 years.
Back to Eagle, the total time has been around 1500 - 2000 with multi 400 - 1000 from guys I know, there may be some who are outside of these though
As for the Air NZ SO pay scale that was beeing refered to. You start on $40k once you start on the line, but after 12 months from when you started your initial training (not line training) that goes up to around $80 plus allowances. The guys who have been in the back seat for up to 10 years are sitting on around $100k plus allowances. Not a bad wicket for being able to stay in NZ and pass the tea/coffee forward. But I do prefer Cathays approach to the SO position (one of the few other airlines that have them QF included.) where you are a SO for a max of 5 years.
Back to Eagle, the total time has been around 1500 - 2000 with multi 400 - 1000 from guys I know, there may be some who are outside of these though
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Cyco, what happens when you go right seat domestic on a vintage 737 after your 10 year stint with the 90 year olds in the 400? I thought Freedom were tagged on at the bottom of the Air NZ seniority so you started with them on about $34K. No-one has explained how Freedom fits in with the seniority yet. 
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In answer to your question Alby, they dont fit in.
Freedom at present are not part of the seniority structure at Air NZ, there has been talk about merging the two groups, but at present the senior SO's are either going onto the B733 as FO or waiting for a B767 slot. The longest serving SO that I know has 7 years service.
They may give up a bit of allowances as they no longer have the monopoly on the lucritive Japan sectors, but their base salary goes up. No chance of a drop to the $34 you talked about.
Freedom at present are not part of the seniority structure at Air NZ, there has been talk about merging the two groups, but at present the senior SO's are either going onto the B733 as FO or waiting for a B767 slot. The longest serving SO that I know has 7 years service.
They may give up a bit of allowances as they no longer have the monopoly on the lucritive Japan sectors, but their base salary goes up. No chance of a drop to the $34 you talked about.
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Cyco: Nope, I definately know of someone coming up to ten years as an SO with Air NZ..... and I wouldn't put my money on the Freedom boys remaining separate as far as seniority goes. I understand from union memos that the seniority for both airlines might be changing in the very near future with 'swapping' going on in both directions..... I suppose we'll all have to wait and see.
If QF buys into ANZ and SJ gets off-loaded, things may change anyway, so I suppose there is no point in trying to guess a crystal ball when the damn ball keeps changing shape!
Albotross; the contract at Freedom changed a year or so ago from what I understand and the pay and conditions are a hell of a lot better than what they used to be. The figures your quoting were from the old pay structure and you can add a fairly substantial amount to that for their starting pay (ie 10-12K).
SepsOff; even those with rich rellies who buy type ratings have to get the minimum hours somewhere...... and those with rich rellies usually also have connections in ANZ who will get them a job in the mother-ship anyway, and then they don't have to part with any money at all! Not a bad scheme overall, ah?
Are you guys sure about those figures of an SO earning $100K? Thats a damn lot of money for doing st*ff all! I didn't the FO's on the 737 get that much and I can't see the pilots taking a paycut at any stage in a so-called promotion!
If QF buys into ANZ and SJ gets off-loaded, things may change anyway, so I suppose there is no point in trying to guess a crystal ball when the damn ball keeps changing shape!
Albotross; the contract at Freedom changed a year or so ago from what I understand and the pay and conditions are a hell of a lot better than what they used to be. The figures your quoting were from the old pay structure and you can add a fairly substantial amount to that for their starting pay (ie 10-12K).
SepsOff; even those with rich rellies who buy type ratings have to get the minimum hours somewhere...... and those with rich rellies usually also have connections in ANZ who will get them a job in the mother-ship anyway, and then they don't have to part with any money at all! Not a bad scheme overall, ah?
Are you guys sure about those figures of an SO earning $100K? Thats a damn lot of money for doing st*ff all! I didn't the FO's on the 737 get that much and I can't see the pilots taking a paycut at any stage in a so-called promotion!
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Firstly I must say that yet again we have taken a fork in a road and I think before this thred has done its dash we will have commented on each and every airline in Godzone.
Hog as far as the merger SJ & NZ pilot groups you are right in saying there has been a lot of talk, however it is important to realise that "seniority" will still prevail and when you look at SJ most guys/gals have only been in the company for a few years compared to NZ where most started before I stopped ****ting in my nappies. Therefore if anything it would open up more opportunities for the NZ crew as they would have first dibs on the SJ commands based on seniority.
As far as comparing B737 FO and the SO's you cant as they move both ways (no inuendos intended) some 73 fo's go onto long haul for the experience as so's as well as the so's going onto the 73 to do some actual flying for a change.
Clear as mud aye.
Hog as far as the merger SJ & NZ pilot groups you are right in saying there has been a lot of talk, however it is important to realise that "seniority" will still prevail and when you look at SJ most guys/gals have only been in the company for a few years compared to NZ where most started before I stopped ****ting in my nappies. Therefore if anything it would open up more opportunities for the NZ crew as they would have first dibs on the SJ commands based on seniority.
As far as comparing B737 FO and the SO's you cant as they move both ways (no inuendos intended) some 73 fo's go onto long haul for the experience as so's as well as the so's going onto the 73 to do some actual flying for a change.
Clear as mud aye.
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Cyco; been thinking about what you said about ANZ pilots moving to SJ.... here's a thought; why doesn't the pilot group (or at least those still young enough to remember pooping in their nappies) put pressure on some of those crusty old b@ggers to retire!
Why should you take commands at Freedom if you decided that ANZ was the path that you wanted to take instead of paying for the type rating option?
How do you feel about say, a pilot coming across from SJ and taking a command or FO's position on a bigger a/c (ie 767) for experience ?
I'm sorry and I may have the wrong end of the stick here, but why should ANZ guys have their cake and eat it too? If they go across to SJ, do they take the pay cut and drop the super scheme, extra allowances and travel perks as well for the time that they are at SJ?
Food for thought.
Why should you take commands at Freedom if you decided that ANZ was the path that you wanted to take instead of paying for the type rating option?
How do you feel about say, a pilot coming across from SJ and taking a command or FO's position on a bigger a/c (ie 767) for experience ?
I'm sorry and I may have the wrong end of the stick here, but why should ANZ guys have their cake and eat it too? If they go across to SJ, do they take the pay cut and drop the super scheme, extra allowances and travel perks as well for the time that they are at SJ?
Food for thought.
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hey all
how many have got the phone call from eagle from the interviews. i have heard of two people but nothing else. they were talking of putting 6 on the ground course which is supposed to start around 9 dec.
and i also heard from a source that anz will be taking the freedom boys ahead of everyone else when they recruit. so a job at freedom is probably the first step.
more rumours also of another lot of interviews probably at the end of the year or early next year.
and again i ask the question because it baffles me is why so many non GA pilots getting the nod? lots of instructors with little or no ATO times? Don't get me wrong these boys have high time but hardly any in ATO's.
Sure along with the min's times required it stuns me to see many of the GA operators out there with guys with a stack lot of time getting passed by instructors who can flight a sim for their interview and have never experience the real thing. How come???
how many have got the phone call from eagle from the interviews. i have heard of two people but nothing else. they were talking of putting 6 on the ground course which is supposed to start around 9 dec.
and i also heard from a source that anz will be taking the freedom boys ahead of everyone else when they recruit. so a job at freedom is probably the first step.
more rumours also of another lot of interviews probably at the end of the year or early next year.
and again i ask the question because it baffles me is why so many non GA pilots getting the nod? lots of instructors with little or no ATO times? Don't get me wrong these boys have high time but hardly any in ATO's.
Sure along with the min's times required it stuns me to see many of the GA operators out there with guys with a stack lot of time getting passed by instructors who can flight a sim for their interview and have never experience the real thing. How come???