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Old 19th October 2024 | 01:55
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Can anyone speculate as to why the regional arm can't potentially be considered profitable in its own right to justify its purchase?

Rex management cocked it up by neglecting it during their grand plans for the 737 op, but prior to that Rex was profitable in its own right for virtually its entire existence as a regional only operator.

Sure the Saabs are old and many are not in serviceable condition (thanks again to management) but is there a reason why a new owner of Rex wouldn't be able to bring the operation back to what it once was and continue to operate the ageing aircraft (because while they are old, they are cheap and relatively reliable when looked after)?
Yes, the old regional operation could be profitable particularly if the new owner tied up codeshares and Velocity membership with VA but, as you point out, it is the capital required to plan for a replacement for the Saabs that is the hurdle. Even buying secondhand ATR42s or Dash8-300s would be an expensive exercise once you factor in training, maintenance facilities, sims etc.
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Old 19th October 2024 | 06:03
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It was a lot more than 62m
In fact it was in the order of $300M. That money was meant to support the core business and prepare it for post Covid operations.

Instead it was squandered as start up capital for an obviously doomed Domestic Jet Operation!
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Old 19th October 2024 | 07:24
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In fact it was in the order of $300M. That money was meant to support the core business and prepare it for post Covid operations.

Instead it was squandered as start up capital for an obviously doomed Domestic Jet Operation!
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Old 19th October 2024 | 11:19
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It was a lot more than 62m
More like $150M or similar. Let's be honest, they ONLY got it because that loudmouthed ****** that was their deputy chair just happened to have been in Federal politics in the National Party, the genius that privatised the airports and was going around every five minutes stating that Qantas was 'technically bankrupt' - what is it they say about people who accuse others of something actually being an act to divert attention from their own reality - e.g. US politicians railing against homosexuality suddenly get caught paying for a male prostitute - appears that the deputy chair may have been transferring onto Qantas the actual situation at his own company.
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Old 19th October 2024 | 19:52
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I think the word we’re looking for here AP is “Projection”.

WRT the $150M you speak of, you may be confusing that with the backing from the Hong Kong based PAG Equity group. The $300M was essentially provided gratis from the Federal Government as a Covid buffer.
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Old 20th October 2024 | 01:18
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
I think the word we’re looking for here AP is “Projection”.

WRT the $150M you speak of, you may be confusing that with the backing from the Hong Kong based PAG Equity group. The $300M was essentially provided gratis from the Federal Government as a Covid buffer.
KRUSTY, what's your thinking regards the $300 million?

I'm seeing about $156 million by way of government grants and contacts relating to COVID relief finding its way into Rex's coffers.

There were four COVID grants programs established that Rex could access:
  1. GA75765 Australian Airline Financial Relief Package - fuel excise, and domestic aviation charges rebate.
  2. GA75931 Regional Airline Network Support - to support the sustainment of aviation services to regional Australia.
  3. GA75742 Regional Airline Funding Assistance - meant to be "last resort" funding to support regional aviation operators.
  4. GA192124 Retaining Domestic Airline Capability Program - meant to support the preservation of critical operational capabilities in preparedness for aviation recovery.

The GrantsConnect site contains records for all of those programs. Rex pulled down the following:

GA75765-V1 AAFRP - $3,055,000.00
GA75931-V10 RANS - $80,820,000.00
GA75742-V2 RAFA - $53,862,730.00
GA192124-V1 RDACP - $17,078,688.00
Total Grants - $154,816,418.00

Rex were also able to obtain financial assistance under the Domestic Aviation Network Support program, which the government ran as contracts-for-services, rather as a grant program. The AusTender site provides details of most awarded contracts and values (commercially sensitive and contracts subject to security considerations are excluded). AusTender shows the following contract references and values for Rex:

CN3755157 DANS - $180,956.16
CN3705162 DANS 2.0 - $399,072.96
CN3728444 DANS 3.0. - $395,841.60
CN3824055-A1 DANS 6.0 - $316,673.28
Total Contracts - $1,292,544.00

Total Grants and Contracts - $156,108,962.00


JobKeeper sits on top of that. According to Rex's annual reports they received a total of just shy of $29.45 million in JobKeeper payments.

That would bring total government COVID-related support to about $185.553 million.

All of this comes with the usual caveat that I may very well have missed something here.
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Old 20th October 2024 | 01:37
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Hi AP.

Clearly you have a much better grasp of the situation than I. I was told by several parties that it was in the order of $300M and I simply ran with that! Rumour network you know.

Thank you for the clarification (and your hard work). I’ll try to be a little more cautious in future.
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Old 20th October 2024 | 22:54
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
Hi AP.

Clearly you have a much better grasp of the situation than I. I was told by several parties that it was in the order of $300M and I simply ran with that! Rumour network you know.

Thank you for the clarification (and your hard work). I’ll try to be a little more cautious in future.
Its still a very big number!!
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Old 20th October 2024 | 23:51
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Old 21st October 2024 | 06:04
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I wonder if Link Airways (Vee H Aviation) might be able to to get something out of the remains of Rex. Some routes, Saabs and staff, now Link have an 'arrangement with Virgin,' could be beneficial for both of them.
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Old 21st October 2024 | 07:45
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34
Hi AP.

Clearly you have a much better grasp of the situation than I. I was told by several parties that it was in the order of $300M and I simply ran with that! Rumour network you know.

Thank you for the clarification (and your hard work). I’ll try to be a little more cautious in future.
No dramas, I'm not sure I'm completely correct either but I know it was over $100M and on the way to $200M, whether it was 150 or 160 I can't exactly remember but I do remember them stating that it was to save their regional network and crying poor (all those Federal subsidies weren't enough) and the MOMENT they got the money, they took out leases on the 737-800s and announced they were going to operate between capital cities. If there was any justice, a government worth its salt would have said "Well, do what you want but give us back the taxpayers' $150M because you got that under false pretences!!"
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Old 21st October 2024 | 23:14
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Toll close to buying PelA

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/145...pel-air-report

Japan Post-owned logistics company TOLL Group is close to buying aeromedical and charter carrier Pel-Air Aviation (PFY, Sydney Kingsford Smith), according to The Australian Financial Review. Pel-Air is a sister carrier of Rex - Regional Express (ZL, Wagga Wagga), which is currently in administration and up for sale.

The newspaper said TOLL had agreed to terms and was expected to sign in the coming days. Pel-Air, which is profitable, operates a PC-24 and five Beech (twin turboprop) 300Cs on behalf of the NSW Ambulance Service, and two King Air 300Cs and five 200Cs on behalf of Ambulance Victoria, although ADS-B flight tracking data indicates not all aircraft are in service at any one time.
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Old 22nd October 2024 | 08:45
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Meanwhile the clock is ticking for Rex.
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Old 24th October 2024 | 09:11
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https://announcements.asx.com.au/asx...c68z6x7b01.pdf
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Old 24th October 2024 | 09:27
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Given Westpacs loan was what $170M, the states might be coughing up the difference!
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Old 24th October 2024 | 09:44
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From what I read, the Westpac loan was guaranteed by the NSW and VIC Governments when the contract was signed years ago. I don’t believe Rex would have been able to secure that funding without that government support.

Westpac was covered regardless, and I would assume it’s still business as usual with that loan just continuing on, can someone confirm?



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Old 24th October 2024 | 10:37
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and I would assume it’s still business as usual with that loan just continuing on, can someone confirm?
It says "the Pel-Air ambulance business and it's associated debt financing" so the new owner assumes the debt facility.
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Old 24th October 2024 | 20:09
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I hear that the carefully selected EY administrator Sam Freeman is promising employees there will be a REX 2.0. It appears that the relay baton of pathological lies has been passed on there.
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Old 24th October 2024 | 23:18
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I hear that the carefully selected EY administrator Sam Freeman is promising employees there will be a REX 2.0. It appears that the relay baton of pathological lies has been passed on there.
Yes, some unusual statements coming out of the once great regional airline.

2 days ago, during a Zoom between the administrators and employees it was said that to date no buyer for the regional business has been found (as expected). But then I am told, the CEO announced that the administrators have authorized the purchase of additional CT7(b) engines! Very strange?
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Old 25th October 2024 | 00:00
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My guess is, Nifty and co are waiting for it to be wound up, clearing the debt, but positioning themselves in the meantime, to launch a 2.0 subsequent to the wind up.
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