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The “agreed position”?
The AFAP MUST show that the agreed position was deliberately sabotaged by the company the day before they made an IB application. Clearly, that was done to take advantage of the system.
It makes a complete mockery of the good faith bargaining legislation - and FWC would be opening the hornets nest for all employers by allowing that sort of behaviour.
They’ll have hundreds of employers on their doorsteps overnight if one can simply cancel months/years of negotiation on agreed items the day before making an IB application.
That’s not the intent of the IB process when it was designed, and clearly QF are testing the water on what they can get away with given the looming SH and LH EBAs.
IMHO, FWC can not be seen to encourage such manipulation.
The agreed position was everything other than the overtime rate being half the normal rate.
The AFAP MUST show that the agreed position was deliberately sabotaged by the company the day before they made an IB application. Clearly, that was done to take advantage of the system.
It makes a complete mockery of the good faith bargaining legislation - and FWC would be opening the hornets nest for all employers by allowing that sort of behaviour.
They’ll have hundreds of employers on their doorsteps overnight if one can simply cancel months/years of negotiation on agreed items the day before making an IB application.
That’s not the intent of the IB process when it was designed, and clearly QF are testing the water on what they can get away with given the looming SH and LH EBAs.
IMHO, FWC can not be seen to encourage such manipulation.
The agreed position was everything other than the overtime rate being half the normal rate.
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I don’t know, as I don’t work there.
But given the yes vote was 47% at one point, it seems very close to the majority were happy with the gains in all other areas.
No doubt QF spent many millions more on trying to mitigate the industrial action than what it would have cost them to be paying the correct hourly rate into overtime.
I have no doubt the 47/53 vote would have been 51% yes had they not halved the overtime rate. No doubt there’s some pretty serious discussions behind closed doors at Mascot asking how NS stuffed this up so badly.
The argument has always been that they can’t possibly afford to pay a cent more (and they’ll take that BS into the FWC proceedings too).
But when you’ve just announced a $450m share buyback, it doesn’t pass the simplest of pub tests.
But given the yes vote was 47% at one point, it seems very close to the majority were happy with the gains in all other areas.
No doubt QF spent many millions more on trying to mitigate the industrial action than what it would have cost them to be paying the correct hourly rate into overtime.
I have no doubt the 47/53 vote would have been 51% yes had they not halved the overtime rate. No doubt there’s some pretty serious discussions behind closed doors at Mascot asking how NS stuffed this up so badly.
The argument has always been that they can’t possibly afford to pay a cent more (and they’ll take that BS into the FWC proceedings too).
But when you’ve just announced a $450m share buyback, it doesn’t pass the simplest of pub tests.
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I don’t know, as I don’t work there.
But given the yes vote was 47% at one point, it seems very close to the majority were happy with the gains in all other areas.
No doubt QF spent many millions more on trying to mitigate the industrial action than what it would have cost them to be paying the correct hourly rate into overtime.
I have no doubt the 47/53 vote would have been 51% yes had they not halved the overtime rate. No doubt there’s some pretty serious discussions behind closed doors at Mascot asking how NS stuffed this up so badly.
The argument has always been that they can’t possibly afford to pay a cent more (and they’ll take that BS into the FWC proceedings too).
But when you’ve just announced a $450m share buyback, it doesn’t pass the simplest of pub tests.
But given the yes vote was 47% at one point, it seems very close to the majority were happy with the gains in all other areas.
No doubt QF spent many millions more on trying to mitigate the industrial action than what it would have cost them to be paying the correct hourly rate into overtime.
I have no doubt the 47/53 vote would have been 51% yes had they not halved the overtime rate. No doubt there’s some pretty serious discussions behind closed doors at Mascot asking how NS stuffed this up so badly.
The argument has always been that they can’t possibly afford to pay a cent more (and they’ll take that BS into the FWC proceedings too).
But when you’ve just announced a $450m share buyback, it doesn’t pass the simplest of pub tests.
As for affording a decent contract, they will be shortly surrounded by competitors with vastly superior conditions, so it’s more like whether they can afford not to have a decent contract.
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Well said that man.
A big win for NAA over the pilots at FWC (which I find unlikely) will just condemn the thing to fail anyway. They can’t crew flights as it is.
Virgin have recently joined those dots and worked it out 👍
The only operators to survive will be the ones who start treating pilots as assets.
A big win for NAA over the pilots at FWC (which I find unlikely) will just condemn the thing to fail anyway. They can’t crew flights as it is.
Virgin have recently joined those dots and worked it out 👍
The only operators to survive will be the ones who start treating pilots as assets.
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The other side to this whole train wreck we are witnessing is that it exposes how absolutely inept IR and HR experts really are when it comes to their ability to pivot, leverage core competencies and establish paradigms in a challenging and competitive world. They really are one trick buzz word ponies who, while relieving the organisation of massive sums of money, are ensuring its downfall. If Qantas really want to continue to own the trough they all enjoy feeding from, it’s time to get WAY ahead of the curve and throw real T&Cs at us.
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Company hopefully realises by now that NS is only interested in himself. Look what he did to his colleagues. Probably took 20 million in wages from his “mates” for a desk job. Well done douche.
He’ll burn the place down if it means a bonus. QF management reminds me of Boeing. Same personalities, Same MO (short term self interest).
I hope they can turn the place around before it’s too late.
He’ll burn the place down if it means a bonus. QF management reminds me of Boeing. Same personalities, Same MO (short term self interest).
I hope they can turn the place around before it’s too late.
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I hope they can turn the place around before it’s too late
For that to happen managers that have decision making power have to look one rank up and see a sign that things have changed.
The second tier of executive management have to look to the boss and see a legitimate change in direction otherwise every lower tier looks up and realises it’s ’business as usual’, and continues as always. There was a window of opportunity for this not long ago but it’s clear now that the senior ‘leadership’ are content to let legal and HR continue along the same path. No doubt they will get the same results. Further fragmentation which eventually reveals itself in the customer experience. There is another window of opportunity coming but again, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Can anyone post here the number of aircraft (NAA and NJS) arriving in the next year? And at what rate?
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The other side to this whole train wreck we are witnessing is that it exposes how absolutely inept IR and HR experts really are when it comes to their ability to pivot, leverage core competencies and establish paradigms in a challenging and competitive world.
Even some of the most respected people in the industry were shown the door (almost literally) when they dared to question Alan's directives. Even though Alan has now moved on, those IR and HR staff tasked with carrying out the board's wages and conditions policies will be loath to even tiptoe off the path for fear that they too will be walking out the door. Safe is there to make sure they don't pursue any ideas of their own.
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Big problem at NAA
There is a big problem at NAA.
1. The group is haemorrhaging pilots.
2. Trainers are being paid peanuts to train the constant flow of new GA pilots.
3. The uncertainly surrounding the Fokker seems to be spreading like wildfire. New 2 year plan seems to exist with F100 redundancies being used to solve vacant seats at NJS A220.
4. Providing Qantas don’t pull their Fair Work application, the handed down EBD will not bode favourably in their favour and they’ll be forced to cut down on costs again by forcing an entity covered by their stupid slavery policy to do the work.
Qantas will always win.
1. The group is haemorrhaging pilots.
2. Trainers are being paid peanuts to train the constant flow of new GA pilots.
3. The uncertainly surrounding the Fokker seems to be spreading like wildfire. New 2 year plan seems to exist with F100 redundancies being used to solve vacant seats at NJS A220.
4. Providing Qantas don’t pull their Fair Work application, the handed down EBD will not bode favourably in their favour and they’ll be forced to cut down on costs again by forcing an entity covered by their stupid slavery policy to do the work.
Qantas will always win.
they’ll be forced to cut down on costs again by forcing an entity covered by their stupid slavery policy to do the work.
Yes, QF. They’ll just ‘expand’ NJS or any other subsidiary that falls under the QF wage policy and slowly relocate staff and aircraft to that branch using forced redundancies. Watch NJS get awarded new mining contracts that NAA used to serve. If I were RIO or any other mining company, I’d think twice about using NAA after all the strike stuff around. You can bet your last dollar that all the NAA and QF execs pinned the whole strike thing on the NAA pilot group.
Yes, QF. They’ll just ‘expand’ NJS or any other subsidiary that falls under the QF wage policy and slowly relocate staff and aircraft to that branch using forced redundancies. Watch NJS get awarded new mining contracts that NAA used to serve. If I were RIO or any other mining company, I’d think twice about using NAA after all the strike stuff around. You can bet your last dollar that all the NAA and QF execs pinned the whole strike thing on the NAA pilot group.
Mining Resources have started the ball rolling in the FIFO market, this trend will catch on as soon as it has proven to be a better solution than using airlines for crew rotation. QF will eventually be squeezed out of the mining sector, other than small operations that can’t justify owning their own aircraft.
QF management have been proven time after time to be untrustworthy when it comes to narrative management. They can hang whatever they want on pilots, no one is buying a word of it.
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Mining Resources have started the ball rolling in the FIFO market, this trend will catch on as soon as it has proven to be a better solution than using airlines for crew rotation. QF will eventually be squeezed out of the mining sector, other than small operations that can’t justify owning their own aircraft.
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