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I need of a change:
At what point do you question your thought process when literally this whole thread is telling you otherwise?
VOTE NO!
At what point do you question your thought process when literally this whole thread is telling you otherwise?
VOTE NO!
The elephant in the room is not the overtime rate anyway, it’s the forced overtime in the first place thats the problem. Do JQ or mainline have to deal with any crap like flying over mgh or whatever your base salary is derived from? I doubt it. THATs where the push back should be.
From the SH Agreement:
31.2 A pilot is required to be available to perform more than fifty three hours and twenty four minutes (53:24) flying hours in each twenty eight (28) day bid period.
Like most industries working overtime (over and above an agreed amount) should be either discretionary and/or well remunerated. The proposed agreement does neither.
NO!
NO!
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Scenario; The current captains who are voting no end up voting with their feet when this rubbish gets voted up, and they can't upgrade any FO's because they don't have ATPL's. A very tiny percentage of people actually find the time to go and get those done once they get to this level, with a family and responsibilities in tow. It's happening at Rex, and their solution was to go and advertise direct entry captain positions overseas. The pool to upgrade suitably qualified FO's in Australia is dry.
Who is going to pick up the slack? My guess is the captain on a 10 hour day wait gets sent back to do another run in between. Don't say that it wouldn't be cost effective to do so when they're only having to do it because they have less captains on the books. And we're talking about 9 figure contracts here. The money is there.
You'll be hitting that overtime pretty damn quick when this, or a scenario like this, happens. Justify it all you like now by saying that you'll still be on par with a JQ captain for the same stick hours. But just imagine it for a second; you're in the cruise on your 60th hour, and you now realise that from here on out for the rest of your roster you're being paid half your normal rate. when you hit that overtime, you will not be able to get past the thought of how much you're being undervalued, and how you completely fumbled the ball when you had the opportunity to stop it.
Past results is not an indicator of future performance. When a company's back is against the wall, they will force you to do anything that fits within the legal boundaries you agreed to.
To think that just because this is not your reality now, that it couldn't be in the future is incredibly narrow-minded. If you don't put these protections in place now, you are absolutely screwed.
Who is going to pick up the slack? My guess is the captain on a 10 hour day wait gets sent back to do another run in between. Don't say that it wouldn't be cost effective to do so when they're only having to do it because they have less captains on the books. And we're talking about 9 figure contracts here. The money is there.
You'll be hitting that overtime pretty damn quick when this, or a scenario like this, happens. Justify it all you like now by saying that you'll still be on par with a JQ captain for the same stick hours. But just imagine it for a second; you're in the cruise on your 60th hour, and you now realise that from here on out for the rest of your roster you're being paid half your normal rate. when you hit that overtime, you will not be able to get past the thought of how much you're being undervalued, and how you completely fumbled the ball when you had the opportunity to stop it.
Past results is not an indicator of future performance. When a company's back is against the wall, they will force you to do anything that fits within the legal boundaries you agreed to.
To think that just because this is not your reality now, that it couldn't be in the future is incredibly narrow-minded. If you don't put these protections in place now, you are absolutely screwed.
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In 2025, NJS Captains will be flying the A220 for $209K with an overtime threshold of 65 hours. The negotiated 2% increases will see them quickly fall further behind in real terms due to inflation.
National Jet Systems 2022
In recent days we've seen when something goes wrong in aviation, it goes wrong tragically. It continues to bewilder me that companies want to screw pilots on wages when they hold the highest responsibility and accountability once the door closes. In the game of chicken, it seems like management wins all the time.
A220s.
In 2025, NJS Captains will be flying the A220 for $209K with an overtime threshold of 65 hours. The negotiated 2% increases will see them quickly fall further behind in real terms due to inflation.
National Jet Systems 2022
In recent days we've seen when something goes wrong in aviation, it goes wrong tragically. It continues to bewilder me that companies want to screw pilots on wages when they hold the highest responsibility and accountability once the door closes. In the game of chicken, it seems like management wins all the time.
In 2025, NJS Captains will be flying the A220 for $209K with an overtime threshold of 65 hours. The negotiated 2% increases will see them quickly fall further behind in real terms due to inflation.
National Jet Systems 2022
In recent days we've seen when something goes wrong in aviation, it goes wrong tragically. It continues to bewilder me that companies want to screw pilots on wages when they hold the highest responsibility and accountability once the door closes. In the game of chicken, it seems like management wins all the time.
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But just imagine it for a second; you're in the cruise on your 60th hour, and you now realise that from here on out for the rest of your roster you're being paid half your normal rate. when you hit that overtime, you will not be able to get past the thought of how much you're being undervalued, and how you completely fumbled the ball when you had the opportunity to stop it.
This needs to be quoted and re quoted.
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It’s been said before but apparently it needs to be said again:
If management isn't intending to have you flying overtime hours then the payment for overtime could be $1,000 per hour as it’s a largely irrelevant number. The fact they are fighting it so hard should be your indication as to what you will be doing…
If management isn't intending to have you flying overtime hours then the payment for overtime could be $1,000 per hour as it’s a largely irrelevant number. The fact they are fighting it so hard should be your indication as to what you will be doing…
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Everything that the ‘NO’ camp is saying here is perfectly in line with the MO used by QF IR. Look at virtually every EA negotiation these thugs have ever been involved in and it’s the same thug tactics. A yes vote simply makes it easier for IR to fvck us over.
NO!
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It's kind of like Network really. Painted as ANA but flown by Air Japan.
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It’s been said before but apparently it needs to be said again:
If management isn't intending to have you flying overtime hours then the payment for overtime could be $1,000 per hour as it’s a largely irrelevant number. The fact they are fighting it so hard should be your indication as to what you will be doing…
If management isn't intending to have you flying overtime hours then the payment for overtime could be $1,000 per hour as it’s a largely irrelevant number. The fact they are fighting it so hard should be your indication as to what you will be doing…
If you can't see that you'll be incentivizing them to work you harder by voting this up, then there is no helping you.
These are neither a conspiracies nor a theories.
Everything that the ‘NO’ camp is saying here is perfectly in line with the MO used by QF IR. Look at virtually every EA negotiation these thugs have ever been involved in and it’s the same thug tactics. A yes vote simply makes it easier for IR to fvck us over.
NO!
Everything that the ‘NO’ camp is saying here is perfectly in line with the MO used by QF IR. Look at virtually every EA negotiation these thugs have ever been involved in and it’s the same thug tactics. A yes vote simply makes it easier for IR to fvck us over.
NO!
A319's to be converted to night freight, and we will all be doing BOC night freight ops,
Aircraft will be parked at mine sites overnight, so we will never be at home,
BOC BNE,
BOC CNS (I'm surprised LHR wasn't chucked in for good measure, LOL),
As soon as the EA is signed, we will be doing 90 hours a month - although why they aren't doing that now on the present sh!te that is the current EA, which is less restrictive and at a lower cost, is beyond me. Why wait until a new, more restrictive EA is agreed on?
Couple this with unfounded and irrational What Ifs and What Aboutism, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a cogent and rational argument on the entire 75 pages of this thread.
Being objective and rational and comparing like with like, VARA would be the most accurate comparison. As far as I can tell, the overtime rate from 59 to 75 hours is the only area where NAA falls below VARA, although this is mitigated by a higher base salary. Above 75 hours, NAA is proposing an equal overtime rate to VARA. If substantive differences exist between "like with like", then present those as a reason for a NO vote.
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What I can be rostered to do (who cares about what they ask) is more restrictive under the deal on the table than the current deal. So I’ll have less possible undesirable roster patterns possible than on the current deal. I’ll be paid a fair bit more for it too, like 50K plus.
What I can be rostered to do (who cares about what they ask) is more restrictive under the deal on the table than the current deal. So I’ll have less possible undesirable roster patterns possible than on the current deal. I’ll be paid a fair bit more for it too, like 50K plus.