Qantaslink/eastern Pilots Stopwork
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Flight crew, cabin crew get so obviously screwed.
I can't understand why management act so blindly to this fact.
It infuriates me that we have to fight for what's fair!
Yes, we may be our own worst enemies when it comes to keeping our jobs...our so "to die for" jobs...NOT!!! Management would not bat an eyelid at a mass exodus. It wouldn't make them rethink why ppl left, it would just leave space for some other would-be to put up with...wot a stupid thing to say.
If the thousands of ppl who spend their days dreaming of a career in the aviation industry knew how badly our little regional gets screwed maybe they would think otherwise.
I'm glad the SH and LH F/A's think they are living heaven on earth, I just don't think I can tolerate getting treated like a piece of scum while I wait for my time to come...a four and a half year apprenticeship to put up with the attiitudes and ego's we haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet!
We are the ground roots of Q, we contribute to that multimillion dollar profit Dixon boasts about...he should be congratulating us.
Thank me for busting my balls every day so you can have ur impressive bottom line.
If a dog acknowlegdes loyalty, we can't ur employer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Staff travel shouldn't be considered a privilege, it should be a kickback, a showing of appreciation for ur work. And staff shouldn't give attitude and growl at each other when they use it!!!! Everybody uses it, there's no reason why you should get sneered at when you check in or given greasies b/c ur sitting in business class...why can't staff show each other some respect.
And I don't care if ur a SH or LH F/A, am I the scum of the earth b/c I fly regional...c'mon people, get ova it!
I can't understand why management act so blindly to this fact.
It infuriates me that we have to fight for what's fair!
Yes, we may be our own worst enemies when it comes to keeping our jobs...our so "to die for" jobs...NOT!!! Management would not bat an eyelid at a mass exodus. It wouldn't make them rethink why ppl left, it would just leave space for some other would-be to put up with...wot a stupid thing to say.
If the thousands of ppl who spend their days dreaming of a career in the aviation industry knew how badly our little regional gets screwed maybe they would think otherwise.
I'm glad the SH and LH F/A's think they are living heaven on earth, I just don't think I can tolerate getting treated like a piece of scum while I wait for my time to come...a four and a half year apprenticeship to put up with the attiitudes and ego's we haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet!
We are the ground roots of Q, we contribute to that multimillion dollar profit Dixon boasts about...he should be congratulating us.
Thank me for busting my balls every day so you can have ur impressive bottom line.
If a dog acknowlegdes loyalty, we can't ur employer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Staff travel shouldn't be considered a privilege, it should be a kickback, a showing of appreciation for ur work. And staff shouldn't give attitude and growl at each other when they use it!!!! Everybody uses it, there's no reason why you should get sneered at when you check in or given greasies b/c ur sitting in business class...why can't staff show each other some respect.
And I don't care if ur a SH or LH F/A, am I the scum of the earth b/c I fly regional...c'mon people, get ova it!
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positivegee,
Southern(>Eastern) pilots come through the Sunnies crew room and cheerfully tell the Sunnies pilots that they are coming up to Qld soon and taking their captain slots. Sunnies fights its own EBA battles. Eastern can do the same.
Southern(>Eastern) pilots come through the Sunnies crew room and cheerfully tell the Sunnies pilots that they are coming up to Qld soon and taking their captain slots. Sunnies fights its own EBA battles. Eastern can do the same.
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Absolute crap B55
Firstly, Eastern don't go to QLD, except on a diversion. Southern might, but they voted against the common seniority list back in 2000. That's a pity.
Eastern, along with Sunstate (presumably YOUR pilot group?) voted FOR common seniority.
Secondly, the 3 airlines are separate and autonomous (at the moment). Therefore, the Southern pilots have no more entitlement to come in and displace Sunstate pilots than somebody off the street does.
This is pure scaremongering on your part.
Thirdly, all 3 pilot groups are back in discussion with a view towards a common seniority list. Hopefully this time it will be resolved.
Finally, all the crap that's going on at the moment is entirely out of the hands of pilot groups. It's being driven by the Company. So perhaps you should redirect your anger away from your colleagues (who generally support full integration) and wish to retain as many jobs as possible.
Play the ball, not the man.....
Eastern, along with Sunstate (presumably YOUR pilot group?) voted FOR common seniority.
Secondly, the 3 airlines are separate and autonomous (at the moment). Therefore, the Southern pilots have no more entitlement to come in and displace Sunstate pilots than somebody off the street does.
This is pure scaremongering on your part.
Thirdly, all 3 pilot groups are back in discussion with a view towards a common seniority list. Hopefully this time it will be resolved.
Finally, all the crap that's going on at the moment is entirely out of the hands of pilot groups. It's being driven by the Company. So perhaps you should redirect your anger away from your colleagues (who generally support full integration) and wish to retain as many jobs as possible.
Play the ball, not the man.....
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Hugh Jarse, I agree with everything you have said but you're wrong on two things; southern pilots walk through the sunnies crew room every day and what has been said there by them has been said. It seems they believe that the intergration is for their benefit. sad really, I totally agree.
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I dont know which Southern pilot you have been talking to, but not one of them has ever said in our crew room that we would take your commands, so I assume you are trying to turn Eastern away from us as the intergration is being negotiated. Dont do this we have been shafted hard enough already.
I dont know which Southern pilot you have been talking to, but not one of them has ever said in our crew room that we would take your commands, so I assume you are trying to turn Eastern away from us as the intergration is being negotiated. Dont do this we have been shafted hard enough already.
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Canberra 146 crew have made some interesting statements - at one stage some decided they should be given 737 commands in QF when Southern closed down.
But their comments don't help. All the Sunnies crew I have come across have been have been very concerned and supportive about whats happening as it could be them next.
But their comments don't help. All the Sunnies crew I have come across have been have been very concerned and supportive about whats happening as it could be them next.
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B55,
If you are going to attempt to wind up Southern pilots with this sacrosanct crap then I suggest you call the Chief pilot at Southern and discuss it with him.
I have never heard any Southern pilot ever bag or belittle a Sunnies pilot, if you want to pursue this line you must be so thin skinned it makes me wonder what sort of insecurities you suffer. Southern has always had a close association with Sunstae, at one time they owned them, so to go head to head with them and write the cap you have is not going to help solve anything. I have always found the Sunstate pilots in Brissy friendly and supportive, if some idiot did say something then take it as some idiot who should know better, no one is coming to Sunnies to take Commands, so lighten up.
As HJ knows Southern and Eastern have been at each others throats for years but after a few unfortunate incidents where stupid things were said from both sides there is now a desire to get on with it and fight the common enemy, the morons in Q!!!!!!
There will always be rivalry between the regionals but B55 either get on with it or find a job that is more in line with your name.
If you are going to attempt to wind up Southern pilots with this sacrosanct crap then I suggest you call the Chief pilot at Southern and discuss it with him.
I have never heard any Southern pilot ever bag or belittle a Sunnies pilot, if you want to pursue this line you must be so thin skinned it makes me wonder what sort of insecurities you suffer. Southern has always had a close association with Sunstae, at one time they owned them, so to go head to head with them and write the cap you have is not going to help solve anything. I have always found the Sunstate pilots in Brissy friendly and supportive, if some idiot did say something then take it as some idiot who should know better, no one is coming to Sunnies to take Commands, so lighten up.
As HJ knows Southern and Eastern have been at each others throats for years but after a few unfortunate incidents where stupid things were said from both sides there is now a desire to get on with it and fight the common enemy, the morons in Q!!!!!!
There will always be rivalry between the regionals but B55 either get on with it or find a job that is more in line with your name.
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I find it interesting that you talk about Qlink regionals saying things against each other which may influence the outcome of seniority list negotiations. Think about this one, what has been the attitude towards Impulse pilots and now you want integration onto their list, good luck i'll back it out
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B55
I don't doubt what you have heard because I have heard similar.
I think this comment was made in relation to when there is a common seniority list for the QF Regionals.
My understanding is that when a new route is created that does not displace existing crews and routes, then this route would be open for bidding by all the QF Regional pilots on a seniority basis. This would be the case whether the new route was based in SYD, MEL, BNE or Timbuktoo. It is therefore possible that senior ex Southern pilots may be able to prevent a Sunstate pilot getting the slot even though it may be based in BNE. This also means that a Sunnies pilot could prevent an Eastern (ex Southern) getting a SYD job as well.
Remember, the individual Regional's don't own the routes, QF does and they can (as they have done already) put whatever pilots/aircraft where ever they want, on what ever route they want.
The only way to protect the Regional routes for the pilot group is by negotiation with QF. At the moment, the best looking solution is a combined seniority list that protects current route structures and pilot numbers and gives open bidding on a seniority basis on all new routes. This seems fair and gives everyone the opportunity to bid for a position on new, higher paying equipment.
I don't doubt what you have heard because I have heard similar.
I think this comment was made in relation to when there is a common seniority list for the QF Regionals.
My understanding is that when a new route is created that does not displace existing crews and routes, then this route would be open for bidding by all the QF Regional pilots on a seniority basis. This would be the case whether the new route was based in SYD, MEL, BNE or Timbuktoo. It is therefore possible that senior ex Southern pilots may be able to prevent a Sunstate pilot getting the slot even though it may be based in BNE. This also means that a Sunnies pilot could prevent an Eastern (ex Southern) getting a SYD job as well.
Remember, the individual Regional's don't own the routes, QF does and they can (as they have done already) put whatever pilots/aircraft where ever they want, on what ever route they want.
The only way to protect the Regional routes for the pilot group is by negotiation with QF. At the moment, the best looking solution is a combined seniority list that protects current route structures and pilot numbers and gives open bidding on a seniority basis on all new routes. This seems fair and gives everyone the opportunity to bid for a position on new, higher paying equipment.
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Flippy, Flippy, Flippy,
I don't recall anyone saying they want to "integrate" onto your list. What has been mentioned though is that as the SAA jet drivers have been displaced it was worthwhile exploring the possibility of employment opportunities with Impulse.
This was to be at the bottom of your list, AFTER all the 1900 drivers.
So don't get your thrust levers in a knot 'ol son as I have said on another thread NO-ONE is trying to push any one out of a job other than of course our illustrious management who wouldn't know what a pilot goes through all his/her career to try and achieve some sort of secure future, nor do they give a toss that they are destroying people's lives and careers.
Admittedly there have been many things that have been said by pilots in the regionals over the years that have damaged any trust of each other, just ask Hugh, but this is a time to work things out not get stuck into each other with petty s*** that will achieve nothing and have the idiots in Q laughing at how cannibalistic we can be.
If that means integrated seniority then it will be negotiated amongst all regionals, not just Eastern and Southern.
One more thing to ponder where do you all think NJS will sit in the picture once the146 is replaced with the EMB175?
I don't recall anyone saying they want to "integrate" onto your list. What has been mentioned though is that as the SAA jet drivers have been displaced it was worthwhile exploring the possibility of employment opportunities with Impulse.
This was to be at the bottom of your list, AFTER all the 1900 drivers.
So don't get your thrust levers in a knot 'ol son as I have said on another thread NO-ONE is trying to push any one out of a job other than of course our illustrious management who wouldn't know what a pilot goes through all his/her career to try and achieve some sort of secure future, nor do they give a toss that they are destroying people's lives and careers.
Admittedly there have been many things that have been said by pilots in the regionals over the years that have damaged any trust of each other, just ask Hugh, but this is a time to work things out not get stuck into each other with petty s*** that will achieve nothing and have the idiots in Q laughing at how cannibalistic we can be.
If that means integrated seniority then it will be negotiated amongst all regionals, not just Eastern and Southern.
One more thing to ponder where do you all think NJS will sit in the picture once the146 is replaced with the EMB175?
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2Daddies. A friendly word of advice mate. Choose your words carefully when posting on both forums. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS. Im sure you know what Im on about.
Regards Douglas
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