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Totally ignoring F100 time will not endear you to this pilot group. We are thoroughly sick of it.
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Exactly, and most have experience beyond Airbus. In fact many have thousands of hours on ‘narrow’ bodies (whatever that is) operating in the environment they will be commanding in.
Totally ignoring F100 time will not endear you to this pilot group. We are thoroughly sick of it.
Totally ignoring F100 time will not endear you to this pilot group. We are thoroughly sick of it.
I suspect that johnny Cash is either a wind-up artist or does actually have senior role experience, yet is looking for work because…
WRT to pass rates: reasonable hiring, good mentoring and training should yield very few failures at command time. Except in the RAAF apparently, and at a related airline.
WRT to pass rates: reasonable hiring, good mentoring and training should yield very few failures at command time. Except in the RAAF apparently, and at a related airline.
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You stated senior roles should be from internal applicants. You seem completely closed off to external talent joining “your” operation. That, my friend, is misguided. Perhaps the recent influx of experienced personnel, ex HKG, will open your mind to building a resilient, experienced culture at Network. The entire QF operation whether Mainline or regionals have limited reach and those operating in that environment only know what they know. There is a bigger stage in aviation and operational quality comes from embracing cultural mentorship not mentorship from those that have been isolated in a limited environment.
You stated senior roles should be from internal applicants. You seem completely closed off to external talent joining “your” operation. That, my friend, is misguided. Perhaps the recent influx of experienced personnel, ex HKG, will open your mind to building a resilient, experienced culture at Network. The entire QF operation whether Mainline or regionals have limited reach and those operating in that environment only know what they know. There is a bigger stage in aviation and operational quality comes from embracing cultural mentorship not mentorship from those that have been isolated in a limited environment.
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I’ve seen union reps swapping allegiances and becoming manager’s, I’ve also seen the ego types and the bloody good manager’s who are few and far between. An external perspective can be good but can also brings challenges , such as building respect and hopefully some loyalty from the troops.
The QF group will have a large talent pool to draw from but not necessarily the right person for every job - just look at all the recent job adverts for the A220 EIS.
The QF group will have a large talent pool to draw from but not necessarily the right person for every job - just look at all the recent job adverts for the A220 EIS.
You stated senior roles should be from internal applicants. You seem completely closed off to external talent joining “your” operation. That, my friend, is misguided. Perhaps the recent influx of experienced personnel, ex HKG, will open your mind to building a resilient, experienced culture at Network. The entire QF operation whether Mainline or regionals have limited reach and those operating in that environment only know what they know. There is a bigger stage in aviation and operational quality comes from embracing cultural mentorship not mentorship from those that have been isolated in a limited environment.
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Is Network the place to be?
1. Apparently they’re about to negotiate a new EBA with similar conditions to Jetstar’s new one.
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
1. Apparently they’re about to negotiate a new EBA with similar conditions to Jetstar’s new one.
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
I don’t see any VA Pilot jumping ship unless the carrot is a big one.
1. Apparently they’re about to negotiate a new EBA with similar conditions to Jetstar’s new one.
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
Happy to be proven wrong!
2. These are not new aircraft, they are nearly 20 years old.
3. No, seniority can also mean a very long time to captaincy as the boys all get upgraded.
A company will stop being called **** when it stops being ****. This particular companies work is over 60% contract flying. Not stable at all.
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2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.
3. Quick progression to captaincy?
Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?
You’re right about the “small” sign on bonus. Pathetic in the long run, mainline pilots will get their yearly bonus for this year alone about 2-3x more than that.
For a VA pilot there’s no real benefit, VA looks to be heading toward more integration between VARA and mainline whereas in the QF group it’s all about separation. Who knows if NAA will stop expanding if/when the A220 arrives west one day? Then to move in the group requires a full resignation of job and rehiring at NJS. It’s almost like a full circle.
The only ones who I could be see attracted by the bonus are the handful of Skippers or Alliance F100 guys. But probably can be counted on less than one hand.
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Network are the Qantas group basket case.
It’s a failed experiment to see how low you can take subsidiary pay and conditions.
But you’ve got to keep everyone there engaged by making them think they’re taking over the world, one clapped out ex Jetstar Airbus at a time.
Network have their place and that’s bunting bogans around the Pilbara.
It’s a failed experiment to see how low you can take subsidiary pay and conditions.
But you’ve got to keep everyone there engaged by making them think they’re taking over the world, one clapped out ex Jetstar Airbus at a time.
Network have their place and that’s bunting bogans around the Pilbara.
1. Jetstars conditions are not something to be striving for…
2. These are not new aircraft, they are nearly 20 years old.
3. No, seniority can also mean a very long time to captaincy as the boys all get upgraded.
A company will stop being called **** when it stops being ****. This particular companies work is over 60% contract flying. Not stable at all.
2. These are not new aircraft, they are nearly 20 years old.
3. No, seniority can also mean a very long time to captaincy as the boys all get upgraded.
A company will stop being called **** when it stops being ****. This particular companies work is over 60% contract flying. Not stable at all.
I would agree if we experience a mining downturn but that’s not the case just now. And if that happens guess what? All you’re bogan RPT pax won’t have the cash to fly as they won’t have a job!
You best hope WA keeps flying whatever the subsidiary, cause if they stop we all start sweating. East or west coast. But mostly east
Also agree, long term network isn’t the place to be. But if you want to feel important I guess it is.
hahahahaha! Wow. That is good, so RPT is stable then? Sorry but you’re wrong. The thing you don’t realise is how lucrative contract work is, it’s 100% profit mate! If you divert on a mining contract, guess what, they pay! Not so for RPT. One passenger on a flight? No worries, they pay 100%! It’s ridiculous.
I would agree if we experience a mining downturn but that’s not the case just now. And if that happens guess what? All you’re bogan RPT pax won’t have the cash to fly as they won’t have a job!
You best hope WA keeps flying whatever the subsidiary, cause if they stop we all start sweating. East or west coast. But mostly east
Also agree, long term network isn’t the place to be. But if you want to feel important I guess it is.
I would agree if we experience a mining downturn but that’s not the case just now. And if that happens guess what? All you’re bogan RPT pax won’t have the cash to fly as they won’t have a job!
You best hope WA keeps flying whatever the subsidiary, cause if they stop we all start sweating. East or west coast. But mostly east
Also agree, long term network isn’t the place to be. But if you want to feel important I guess it is.
Pay? Who? Management’s pockets. The pilots at network get nothing.
New Jetstar EBA is $232k Capt NB for 75hrs per month at 2023 rates. I believe NAA at their last 2018 rates and all added in plus a lower overtime threshold brings their pay into the low $200k’s. So a standard 3% pay rise from 2018 to 2023 rates would be very similar to JQ’s end total which really isn’t any significant win, especially considering the pay rates on offer rates some other airlines at the moment with DEC positions.
If you wanna be in WA the rest of your life then go to QF. You're wasting your time at any subsidiary when mainline struggles to find people in your preferred base at the best of times, yet still pays the 73 FOs way way more money than Network peeps. You will have narrowbody FO and widebody FO positions before everybody else because they can't be ****** commuting from the east coast. DO IT!
It's threads like these ones which define the Australian aviation industry. Toxic. Throwing hands over the internet at peers who do exactly the same job. Poor form. Get better.
QF flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $300K
NA flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $170K
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