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Old 18th Jan 2023, 09:26
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Marsal vanes on the flux detractor. There has been a spate of those failing recently which puts the engine into sinus-o delta configuration.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Pearly White View Post
You know you're not supposed to be talking about the encabulators - in a forum where the meia might read about it. It was in the NOTAMs last week. You'd better delete the post before someone gets the wrong end of the stick.
Wait a mo you totally ignore the latest version of the stick has three ends ....
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Pearly White View Post
talking about the encabulators
Yeah - ever since they stopped using thrombulators, things haven't been the same.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 10:00
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I think I will stick with the Telegraph report that the "inside of the engine" was exposed. They must be right, after all they are a trusted newspaper aren't they....
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 10:11
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Q Codes

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Possibly in order......Hey YSSY, QF 'Shittyknickers', QHH ?, QGP ? QFO ?.......


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Old 18th Jan 2023, 11:02
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Originally Posted by drpixie View Post
Yeah - ever since they stopped using thrombulators, things haven't been the same.
I have inside information confirming they neglected to replenish the Ad-Blue supply due to a shortage at NZ airports. Thatís obviously caused a build up of lead on the spark plugs resulting in the engine failure.

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Old 18th Jan 2023, 11:19
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Australia has be asked by ICAO to trial a new emergency call, it's just below a MayDay but above a PanPan and it's called a "MaeDey"

Today was a great great day to try it
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 12:23
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However, I curious to know as to whether or not it is SOP there to declare a mayday if you lose an engine during ETOPS ops?
Yes it is, as the coffee machine does not work. That is a no go item on the maggot MEL.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 12:32
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
The engine failure didnít occur TOC, it was pretty much half way across so close to the CP.
The aircraft started a slow descent 40 minutes after t/o indicating engine problem. Very close to Auckland than Sydney.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Lagiace
The aircraft started a slow descent 40 minutes after t/o indicating engine problem. Very close to Auckland than Sydney.
You're the second one. No it didn't. The ADS-B dropped out at 40 minutes. Take some lessons on FlightRadar. Do you have a pilot's licence?
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs View Post
You're the second one. No it didn't. The ADS-B dropped out at 40 minutes. Take some lessons on FlightRadar. Do you have a pilot's licence?
...and if so is it yours?

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Old 18th Jan 2023, 13:50
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Originally Posted by RodH View Post
Fear not fellow aviation enthusiasts!
Our Aviation Expert, "GT", will soon tell us exactly what happened and why.
I can hardly wait to read his words of wisdom.
Me neither, although I nearly threw something at the television with that imbecilic reporter on channel seven "the response was MASSIVE, emergency vehicles SURROUNDED it AS SOON AS it 'hit' the runway". Funny, I was sure it was rolling for quite sometime on the landing roll and turned off the runway and onto a taxiway then onto an apron before any emergency vehicles came near it. I mean the person reporting was watching it happen and still couldn't help themselves talking utter, sensationalist shite.

Then we were treated to "this near disaster" and "the pilot executed a near perfect landing as though nothing was wrong" - pretty sure the air head doing the reporting, judging by her language like with all reporters not quite being right, doesn't have a pilot license or any time on the B737 so how would she know?

Then she rabbited on about "what a terrifying experience for the passengers, with anxiety levels high and every passengers' worst fear".

Upon interviewing some passengers, the first ones she spoke to said "No. We didn't know about the engine shutdown, the Captain told us once we'd landed and explained it was a routine procedure when they shut down an engine as there was no danger".

When is the media going to spend some money and get some decent reporters. A bunch of 5 year olds would be more honest and less sensationalist.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Based on what we know so far, [deleted for security reasons] failure is the most likely cause. Itís about time the high-bypass engines on the 737 fleet were upgraded.
They're going to be, with new engines attached to A320neos and A321neos.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 14:00
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Originally Posted by ControlLock View Post
From track log details, appears to have failed shortly after TOC with a long gradual drift down all the way across the Tasman into YSSY.
Per FR24, TOC (FL360) was about 01:50Z. Drift-down appears to have started about 03:10Z.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 14:10
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All the talk on here of people like GT not knowing what the hell they're talking about put me in mind of a story I once heard at a major Australian airline (no, not QF).
At a meeting, two managers who's aviation experience between them consisted of stints at Bunnings or McDonalds or something asked of a ground person "What was the reason for the engineering delay on such and such flight?".

I've always been amused by non-aviation, non-engineering managers asking this question. My response was always, "I'm not an engineer, it was an engineering related matter".

Anyway, on this occasion, one of the ground people who was known to be a stirrer replied "It was a problem with the flux capacitor".

Yes. Sit down if you aren't already. The two managers wrote it down on their notepads. Fully prepared to go into a high level Ops Review meeting with executives on the line and say that a delay that morning was caused by a faulty 'flux capacitor'.

At the end of the meeting, the ground handler apparently said to the managers "Ah, I was just pulling your leg, there's no such thing as a flux capacitor, it's from a movie".

Both managers got visibly angry and berated the person for it.

My point is, how bloody stupid does someone have to be to fall for that? When I was told the story, I was asked "You know what a flux capacitor is" and I responded immediately "Yes. Marty my boy, it's the thing that makes time travel possible".

Reminds me of another incident many years before where an Ansett flight was delayed due to dupe seating on board. A newly minted manager fresh from Uni with his MBA butted in and said "Wait a minute. That aircraft came out of the hangar this morning, why weren't the dupe seats picked up before it left the hangar".

A brief but excruciating silence ensued after which someone was heard to mumble "I think we'll take that offline".
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 14:47
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Could be...

Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
Marsal vanes on the flux detractor. There has been a spate of those failing recently which puts the engine into sinus-o delta configuration.
The pentametric fan.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 16:41
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Originally Posted by tornspar View Post
Why is an engine failure a mayday ?QF sop?
It is actually a requirement under mat regulatory systems. It might seem excessive, but it gets the point across. A pan would seem to be adequate, but often the failure to communicate issues has led to bad days. Much of the world will only achieve curiosity from a Pan call.
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
All the talk on here of people like GT not knowing what the hell they're talking about put me in mind of a story I once heard at a major Australian airline (no, not QF).
At a meeting, two managers who's aviation experience between them consisted of stints at Bunnings or McDonalds or something asked of a ground person "What was the reason for the engineering delay on such and such flight?".

I've always been amused by non-aviation, non-engineering managers asking this question. My response was always, "I'm not an engineer, it was an engineering related matter".

Anyway, on this occasion, one of the ground people who was known to be a stirrer replied "It was a problem with the flux capacitor".

Yes. Sit down if you aren't already. The two managers wrote it down on their notepads. Fully prepared to go into a high level Ops Review meeting with executives on the line and say that a delay that morning was caused by a faulty 'flux capacitor'.

At the end of the meeting, the ground handler apparently said to the managers "Ah, I was just pulling your leg, there's no such thing as a flux capacitor, it's from a movie".

Both managers got visibly angry and berated the person for it.

My point is, how bloody stupid does someone have to be to fall for that? When I was told the story, I was asked "You know what a flux capacitor is" and I responded immediately "Yes. Marty my boy, it's the thing that makes time travel possible".

Reminds me of another incident many years before where an Ansett flight was delayed due to dupe seating on board. A newly minted manager fresh from Uni with his MBA butted in and said "Wait a minute. That aircraft came out of the hangar this morning, why weren't the dupe seats picked up before it left the hangar".

A brief but excruciating silence ensued after which someone was heard to mumble "I think we'll take that offline".
Depending on my mood, like/dislike for those management types, and desire for continued employment, I would have let those managers go into the Ops Review with the "flux capacitor" issue at the top of their notepads. Just to see how far it would go. I'm guessing there'd be committees formed and teams deployed to conduct a full on flux capacitor review, looking for patterns of flux capacitor failures, reading flux capacitor reliabilty reports, and conducting investigations into alternate flux capacitor suppliers...
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 17:22
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​​​​​​​Give it back !

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Old 18th Jan 2023, 18:06
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Sounds like the QF manager that thought AOG was a rego. Apparently AOG was a very unreliable aircraft.

By the way did we find out what the actual defect was?
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