Bonza has its AOC

[dragon man]

What I expect is competition which is a free market, not a near monopoly where the major player controls 65% .

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by dragon man

What I expect is competition which is a free market, not a near monopoly where the major player controls 65% .

Seems like you are very keen to promote the airline that currently pays their crews the least, at the expense of the airline that currently has the highest payscales.

If you could put your near pathological animosity towards QF aside for just a moment, you might realise that, like them or hate them, currently they are the tall pole in the payscales tent.

[Bend alot]

Originally Posted by MickG0105

Seems like you are very keen to promote the airline that currently pays their crews the least, at the expense of the airline that currently has the highest pay scales.

If you could put your near pathological animosity towards QF aside for just a moment, you might realise that, like them or hate them, currently they are the tall pole in the pay scales tent.

You get what you pay for - Now think of that from a pax perspective!

I reluctantly fly Q as I get about the same with J or V for much much less - high pay scales will mean zip when less and less will fly them.

My flights with Q are about 5 in the last 6 years - J & V got the remaining 20+ odd flights.
Go back a decade or so and 95% of my flights were with Q.

[morno]

Yeahhh I really don’t think they’re hurting Dragon…..

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by Bend alot

You get what you pay for - Now think of that from a pax perspective!

Of course you get what you pay for. And last time I checked, you also get to choose where you spend your money.

It's just a childish carry-on to be wailing about the prices that one airline charges (and bear in mind that when you pull up a booking page, you're looking at the fares that haven't sold yet, not the ones that have). That is particularly so when there are two other (and in some cases, three or four other) airlines servicing the route. QF couldn't charge what they do and maintain market share if people weren't choosing to fly with them.

[antheads]

You People do realise a monopoly/duopoly is bad for the australian economy and society right?

[morno]

Originally Posted by antheads

You People do realise a monopoly/duopoly is bad for the australian economy and society right?

I certainly don’t disagree with you. But people need to argue it with facts. Doing like Dragon Man has done; posting a screenshot of flights on the busiest day this month and looking at fares ON THE DAY, with no comparison to the competition, is hardly dealing with the full facts is it? It’s just grinding an axe because he’s got something against them.

People can whinge about high airfares all they want, but they’re still buying them and buying them in bulk! I watched a flight go from 45 seats available to nothing in the space of a few hours, from people buying them literally as they were about to fly.

[Mr Mossberg]

You get what you pay for

Yeah/Nah. I'm one of those weirdos that is not seduced by frequent flyer schemes or a pathological following of a brand.

REX, don't have frequency but their airfare prices appear relatively stable to me, their prices don't seem to vary wildly. So you appear to get value for a predictable price.

JETSTAR, are just horse****, their prices vary wildly depending on who knows what factors. Their prices can be 50% more than Virgin (on the routes I fly). Can't say that their service is a whole lot different to Virgin other than the vibe, which is low cost, so if the vibe is low cost, why aren't they? Often they are the dearest.

VIRGIN, I've found to be clearly the best value consistently. You get some cracking fares sometimes while benefitting from their 'full cost' infrastructure.

QANTAS, can't remember the last time I flew with them, cos their prices are NEVER the best value. I'll pay a bit more if the service or schedule suits, but it never does.

You don't really get what you pay for as there are people that will fly Qantas no matter what, like there are sheep that will accept a lockdown despite science and evidence.

I expect Mick will do an analysis on getting what you pay for though, we'll see.

[MickG0105]

Originally Posted by Mr Mossberg

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I expect Mick will do an analyse on getting what you pay for though, we'll see.

No, I'm not going to try to prove or disprove an aphorism; that would be largely, if not entirely pointless. People routinely value the same offering differently - that's what the concept of differential utility tries to address - and they spend their money the way they want, on what they want, with whom they want, when they want.

Just because I choose say a VA flight while someone else chooses say JQ, ZL or, heaven forbid, QF, does not mean that their choice is wrong or that their decision making process is flawed (and it is probably somewhere between conceited to condescending to suggest so).

[rodney rude]

VIRGIN, I've found to be clearly the best value consistently. You get some cracking fares sometimes while benefitting from their 'full cost' infrastructure.

Until your flight is cancelled which they do all to frequently.

[airdualbleedfault]

Originally Posted by rodney rude

VIRGIN, I've found to be clearly the best value consistently. You get some cracking fares sometimes while benefitting from their 'full cost' infrastructure.

Until your flight is cancelled which they do all to frequently.

Yep, haven't flown with JQ much or with Rex or Bonza at all. But Virgin consistently offer the worst on board service, the most delays and cancellations and the worst baggage collection times after arrival. That's my personal experience over the past 12 years of flying a lot with both. The other thing that effects fares greatly is departure times, if you compare departure times rather than departure dates, I think you will find less of a gap between QF and VB. Don't get me wrong tho, I don't have a favourite, I hate them both equally

[TBM-Legend]

Such vitriol on here. I suggest PPRunNe Airways is the only way to go…staff is already in place, the place could be run by a Committee and ideas placed here for consideration on everything.

the other options are to drive on our wonderful highway network or not so hi-speed trains

[antheads]

I think Tim (and his Bonza crew) at the SC Billabong HQ is doing pretty o.k with the crisis management, CASA bureaucracy, and general australian revulsion to novelty, and in the end he'll come up trumps. after all they have 666 partners, oops i meant 777 partners backing them and flair.

[Deano969]

The differences between the Legacy, LCCs and ULCCs in Australia are so minimal now days

Seating 737 / A320 Y seating
Bonza Jetstar 29 inch
Virgin Rex Qantas 30 inch
Hey what's an inch between friends

Luggage
Included or pay more than basic for checked

Meals
Either free cheapass snacks, buy on board or BYO (best option)

Price with checked luggage
MEL-OOL 6/3/24
ZL $119
JQ $152
VA $129
QF $249
AB APP not working sigh

OTP
These are all fairly average with REX on top

With QF VA and REX being full service and JQ being the LCC alternative
JQ ends up being the second most expensive option, go figure....
QF are around double the price of REX and VA

Even pushing the search out to mid May
VA JQ and ZL are only a few dollars apart with QF being 50% higher

Can some one please mansplain to me
What you get on QF over the rest of the pack for the 50-100% premium charged ?
How JQ, being a LCC, is not cheaper than VA and ZL ?
What tangible difference there is across them all as from my experience it's all much of a muchness

[rodney rude]

Deano what makes VA, QF and ZL full service with JQ LCC? Is there ANY difference at all? Check in, get seat, board aircraft, buy sh!t off a trolley, get off. Where is the difference?

[Icarus2001]

Meals, drinks and baggage are included on Q.

Some drinks and baggage are included on VA.

Jetstar basic price is seat only.

Cant you see the difference?

However the unseen biggest point of difference is in service recovery.

[TBM-Legend]

Most on the LCC’s wear thongs, a sweat singlet and needing a bath sits next to you

don’t forget who has the biggest network and generally most flights which is very important to many of us and international through connections

price isn’t everything so these comparisons are cherry picking in many cases

[SHVC]

There is no meal on QF let’s be honest. Getting a pack of celery sticks and carrot with a horse $hit tasting dip to go with it is hardly a meal.

[rodney rude]

Icarus - looks like you are very easily pleased if you think what VA offers full service, pretty much the same with QF as well.

[Mr Mossberg]

Price with checked luggage
MEL-OOL 6/3/24
ZL $119
JQ $152
VA $129
QF $249
AB APP not working sigh

If the aphorism didn't blind you Mick, that's all you had to do (above). And it kind of proved my point, in that you DON'T get what you pay for.

To me, full service means service recovery when there's a ****up, not **** food on a 2.5 hour flight. I've had one cancelled flight out of the last 10 I've taken. It would appear some of you lot are **** magnets.