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Old 27th Dec 2022, 01:43
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I didn’t say it was sustainable! But yes, I agree fully with you.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 02:08
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Can anyone confirm that F100 FO's are on $107k AUD?, I see them advertising, if so what other allowances, duty pay etc / bonus do they get? I think the award is more? am I missing something?

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Old 28th Dec 2022, 12:51
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Can anyone confirm that F100 FO's are on $107k AUD?, I see them advertising, if so what other allowances, duty pay etc / bonus do they get? I think the award is more? am I missing something?
Nothing extra in that ea. I think minimum wage for that job is like $111k.
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 23:06
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Interestingly the base salary for a cleaner with ESS (the people that Network Pilots often fly to and from site) is $117K.

These are the people cleaning the marks off the toilet bowls and wiping the stains off the donga shower walls.
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 03:17
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Have you got a link to confirm that salary for a cleaner?
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 05:30
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Interestingly the base salary for a cleaner with ESS (the people that Network Pilots often fly to and from site) is $117K.

These are the people cleaning the marks off the toilet bowls and wiping the stains off the donga shower walls.
As a general rule those high paid low skill jobs are 10 to 12 hour days, 2 weeks on 1 week off, not much of a life
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 08:06
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As a general rule those high paid low skill jobs are 10 to 12 hour days, 2 weeks on 1 week off, not much of a life
From what I hear in the west...it compares favourably to those 10-12 Hour 2-4 Sector Days, starting anytime from 04:15am, with 8 off in 28 that the Network 'Lower Pay BECAUSE it's a Lifestyle' job has now become ~ apparently you can forget about getting 3 of those off days stringed together.

Do not forget the Zero Turning All Burning Inverted Space Shuttle re-entry required whenever you do a Line or Sim Check.

Suddenly 28 off in 84 (7 day blocks) @ 5% higher wage for an entry level job sounds like more of a life than 24 off in 84 (2 day blocks) - plus you'll be a Lifetime Platinum flyer with higher upgrade priority in much less (if ever) time
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 08:13
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As a general rule those high paid low skill jobs are 10 to 12 hour days, 2 weeks on 1 week off, not much of a life
​​​​​​​A bit like a pilot then?
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 22:07
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Maybe one of those Qantas pilots earning $400k plus…
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Old 30th Dec 2022, 04:39
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A bit like a pilot then?

I hate this mentality, by no means is flying a jet an easy job, highly specialised and us guys in Aus have to fight tooth and nail for the job in the first place with years built up flying banged up machines and managing to not blow the wings off in sometimes awful places with terrible wages. Why shouldn't we be entitled to the same as other pilots get elsewhere?
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Old 30th Dec 2022, 05:24
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The unfortunate reality in Australia is that there are too many pilots. Not to mention all the expats who have international jet experience. Until those things change salaries aren't going to go up. And if they do then the airlines will lobby the government to open up to international candidates. There needs to be a serious supply crunch to change the current circumstances. A proper third domestic airline in Australia may do this.
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Old 30th Dec 2022, 07:00
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Originally Posted by Skippy69
I hate this mentality, by no means is flying a jet an easy job, highly specialised and us guys in Aus have to fight tooth and nail for the job in the first place with years built up flying banged up machines and managing to not blow the wings off in sometimes awful places with terrible wages. Why shouldn't we be entitled to the same as other pilots get elsewhere?
Many say that as pilots we are our own worst enemy. I agree with that to a certain extent. I however believe the biggest culprit to our abysmal wages is our weak as pi$$ Unions. Our union leaders have no fight in them. Our unions need a clean out, fresh blood is needed asap, and the members needs to start pushing hard for this to happen.
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Old 30th Dec 2022, 10:29
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Many say that as pilots we are our own worst enemy. I agree with that to a certain extent. I however believe the biggest culprit to our abysmal wages is our weak as pi$$ Unions. Our union leaders have no fight in them. Our unions need a clean out, fresh blood is needed asap, and the members needs to start pushing hard for this to happen.
The union leaders cannot achieve much without the full backing of the rank and file members. What you have just said in effect is you want to sit with your arse below the industrial radar and let someone else do the dirty work for you.
Good luck with that.
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 03:25
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The union leaders cannot achieve much without the full backing of the rank and file members. What you have just said in effect is you want to sit with your arse below the industrial radar and let someone else do the dirty work for you.
Good luck with that.
Banjo. How did you come to that conclusion champ?

What I can say that in the last decade I have been a union member I would have had no less than 50 interactions with them, and most of the time walked away disappointed. I got to the point that I felt like a pest. Looking back most of the issues I brought up were valid, but unfortunately the union put it in the too hard basket.

You can have the full backing of the rank and file, but without solid leadership and guidance from a strong union we are not united.
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 04:45
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Originally Posted by davidclarke

What I can say that in the last decade I have been a union member I would have had no less than 50 interactions with them, and most of the time walked away disappointed. I got to the point that I felt like a pest. Looking back most of the issues I brought up were valid, but unfortunately the union put it in the too hard basket.

You can have the full backing of the rank and file, but without solid leadership and guidance from a strong union we are not united.
PM me and I’ll send you my phone number. Guarantee that I won’t consider you a pest. I may ask what you’re prepared to do to help though.

The ‘union’ is all of us. It is not just the ‘leadership’ of the union. And it takes all of us to be successful.

Hopefully those who criticise have at least put their hand up at some stage to be part of the solution.

There can be a lot more said about the current industrial situation and certainly a significant pilot shortage in the USA (and the fact that the pilots actually negotiate under the Railway Labor Act of 1926) is of benefit to them. Perhaps that is best left for another day when I have a spare 3-4 hours- so likely not for a couple more years!
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 05:23
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Originally Posted by tossbag
A bit like a pilot then?
I don't know of any domestic pilots working 14 days straight, but please do educate me, I'm only new to this aviation stuff
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 09:00
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And it takes all of us to be successful.
Exactly....and per example, the Atlas Air Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA 2021) consists of 35 Articles topping out at a total of 352 pages - slightly more than the 25 odd pages of the previous expired / outdated / vastly irrelevant Network EBA

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Old 31st Dec 2022, 23:05
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Exactly....and per example, the Atlas Air Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA 2021) consists of 35 Articles topping out at a total of 352 pages - slightly more than the 25 odd pages of the previous expired / outdated / vastly irrelevant Network EBA
Comparing apples with apples - it looks like the NJS EA is close to 3 times the length of Networks. Both EAs cover multiple aircraft types, both EAs cover regional jet ops. Why so different? Are Network pilots not as good?

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 00:02
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international jet experience

Originally Posted by neville_nobody
The unfortunate reality in Australia is that there are too many pilots. Not to mention all the expats who have international jet experience. Until those things change salaries aren't going to go up. And if they do then the airlines will lobby the government to open up to international candidates. There needs to be a serious supply crunch to change the current circumstances. A proper third domestic airline in Australia may do this.
" international jet experience " means jack and counts for nothing when trying to get a job or trying to progress with just about every airline down under. In particular the red flying rat!
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 00:44
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In fact it counts against you because Qantas. But that’s another story, and would quickly be moot if the company decided it needed yet another wedge group to provide downward pressure on wages.
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