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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:18
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Originally Posted by deja vu
In the real world they don't have permanent FOs...
Define 'real world'. At the international airline where I previously worked (not in Oz), we had a number of 'permanent' FOs. In most cases they had already tried for a command at least once and were subsequently assessed as not suitable for further command training. They were still perfectly capable of fulfilling the role of FO.

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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:20
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Originally Posted by deja vu
HUGE DIFFERENCE between PERMANENT FOs and those waiting 20 something years for a command vacancy to come up. Two totally different issues., but you missed that.

Obviously you know very little about the Airline industry outside of your bubble, banging on about QF Cabon( sic) managers and your mates from Ansett etc. In the real world they don't have permanent FOs, that was the point. No one mention gender but you.
I've worked for seven different airlines on three continents. From Englands biggest airline to the worlds biggest long Haul carrier. ALL had permanent FOs. Perhaps easyJet, Qantas and Emirates aren't in the "Real world"???
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:21
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Originally Posted by kingRB
what was she alleging was the basis of the discrimination then?
Sexual harrasement.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:26
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https://www.travelweekly.com.au/arti...p5dUFNiKdOMxyw

Probably not PC but I'm gonna call BS on the sexual harrasment.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:28
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
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Probably not PC but I'm gonna call BS on the sexual harrasment.
And right here we see why we are consider a group of old, white knuckle-dragging dinosaurs.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 06:36
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Newscorp claim the events occurred 20-25 years ago.

ANYHOO, this is what she is after. Qantas will hire female suitable pilots as they become available. You cannot go and just hire for the sake of a quota. It is being made out like the place is falling apart due lack of female pilots. I can tell you, it is not. Sure it would be great to see an increase, but if they are not available they are not available. They are not appearing at recruitment drives, go back further in the food chain if you want to make an impact on female quotas in this industry, that is where it all starts.

She is asking the Federal Court to award her a pecuniary penalty and for Qantas to receive a monetary fine for the alleged harassment and discrimination she endured and urges the airline to increase its number of female pilots.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 07:06
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Originally Posted by tossbag
23 years an FO, that normal?
In Qantas it is!

Yes, you could take a minimum time upgrade (if that was your desire) and basically give away control of your life for the next 6-10 years. The other drawback was that if you went for a command on, say, the 737 and failed, you’re now a 737 FO for a couple of years (with the associated pay drop that that could entail). Nobody intends to fail when they attempt an upgrade but some do, and you’d be an idiot if you didn’t consider the financial consequences of not making the grade.

Qantas couldn’t really give a toss if somebody decides to forego promotion and preserve their lifestyle and financial stability. A few old former cadets who’ve never known anything but Qantas may grumble about “lifestylers”, but as long as all the required seats are occupied, management couldn’t care less. The Qantas contract is an unwieldy piece of crap, but at least it (currently) allows you to make your own decisions regarding attempts at promotion.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 07:16
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Interesting that www.pilotingmindset.com seems to have vanished.

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Old 31st Oct 2022, 07:39
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
And right here we see why we are consider a group of old, white knuckle-dragging dinosaurs.

damn bro slow down. You're gonna break the internet if you keep squeezing any harder for that crumb of virtue
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:05
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Sexual harassment and discrimination have definitely happened at QF. As in most other workplaces. If you donít believe it, you are probably part of the problem.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:30
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Originally Posted by Sprite
Sexual harassment and discrimination have definitely happened at QF. As in most other workplaces. If you donít believe it, you are probably part of the problem.
Believe!!!!!!
(Or youíre probs a sexual predator).
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:32
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Originally Posted by twentyelevens
Believe!!!!!!
(Or youíre probs a sexual predator).
Dumb response.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:33
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Originally Posted by deja vu
HUGE DIFFERENCE between PERMANENT FOs and those waiting 20 something years for a command vacancy to come up. Two totally different issues., but you missed that.

Obviously you know very little about the Airline industry outside of your bubble, banging on about QF Cabon( sic) managers and your mates from Ansett etc. In the real world they don't have permanent FOs, that was the point. No one mention gender but you.
So, this has been pretty comprehensivley shown to be a bunch of old twaddle, and the fact that your almost instantaneous replies have suddenly dried up is duly noted.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:39
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Originally Posted by Sprite
Dumb response.
Sensitive arenít we. I just used your words buddy.
If using your words is dumb, It kinda proves the point I was making.
Have a great day, and try not to offend yourself by whatever else you happen to say.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:44
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Originally Posted by twentyelevens
Sensitive arenít we. I just used your words buddy.
If using your words is dumb, It kinda proves the point I was making.
Have a great day, and try not to offend yourself by whatever else you happen to say.
All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. I know I've seen instances of harassement where I SHOULD have said and done more. Bystanders denying it happens is an integral weapon in the harassers arsenal
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. I know I've seen instances of harassement where I SHOULD have said and done more. Bystanders denying it happens is an integral weapon in the harassers arsenal
So a different version of:

Believe!!!!!!
(Or youíre probs a sexual predator)

You and Sprite should hook up and be miserable together.

You have a better day too ok? Itís not all that bad.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:50
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Originally Posted by kingRB
damn bro slow down. You're gonna break the internet if you keep squeezing any harder for that crumb of virtue
You're late for your INCEL meeting.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:52
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. I know I've seen instances of harassement where I SHOULD have said and done more. Bystanders denying it happens is an integral weapon in the harassers arsenal
So trueÖand I know that most of my colleagues feel the same way. Thank you to those who stand up against bullying and discrimination. Those who donít recognise it are part of the problemÖand they also donít recognise they are dinosaurs.
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 08:53
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Originally Posted by twentyelevens
So a different version of:

Believe!!!!!!
(Or youíre probs a sexual predator)

You and Sprite should hook up and be miserable together.

You have a better day too ok? Itís not all that bad.
No, help where it's needed or you're a tacit facilitator of sexual preditors. You can misstate all you want, what has actually been said is right here on the screen. Are there no women in your life you'd like to see someone step up for if needed? Would you not consider it a problem if no-one did?
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Old 31st Oct 2022, 09:01
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Qantas HR investigated the claims and cleared all of the accused parties of any wrongdoing and has cleared them to return to their duties.

Guaranteed if QF HR could find anything untoward it would have been pursued with great gusto in my opinion.

Some good people have had their reputations dragged through the mud and have been exonerated. Sadly, people allowed that to happen and the chief amongst them has lost any sliver of respect that may have been left.

The person who made the allegations is not back flying.

Draw your own conclusions.
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