Air NZ Jet
The Airline is critically short on Pilots, masked only by reduced fleet numbers. A320 Captains were asked to hand back leave recently even though we’ve got 4 A/C grounded minus engines and flying a reduced schedule.
There are pros and cons to every system. The previous iterations of recruitment didn't necessarily work and this one may not entirely either. We are in a somewhat unique environment. How long will it last?
I don't see how throwing the current system out will make much difference other than creating slightly different effects.
I mean one solution might be massive pay rises and overseas recruitment into the Regional airline but I really can't see that happening.
I don't see how throwing the current system out will make much difference other than creating slightly different effects.
I mean one solution might be massive pay rises and overseas recruitment into the Regional airline but I really can't see that happening.
Surely that 8 year van will be the first thing to go, they could do that tomorrow. When they are having to send people to OZ to try and find pilots something is horribly wrong. Between the 8 year van and the RPPP they have cornered themselves.
I'd expect to see the 8-year restriction lowered at some point, but it won't be tomorrow. Some consultation is required first.
People who think the RPPP is going to disappear, are in fact, dreaming.
People who think the RPPP is going to disappear, are in fact, dreaming.
All power to people and there's certainly a lot of options for people that can make them work but departures have been few and far between and there certainly isn't any more chatter than pre-RPPP or pre-COVID.
It's actually a real shame because the prop fleet is actually an awesome job. If they came to the table and paid significantly more people wouldn't be feeling the need to head abroad or be so pushed to take a base where they have no association just to get on the RPPP list. Adding to this is the growing discontent with blended pay and the fact that people who are joining are years away from being eligible for a command based on their hours (not a poor relection on them at all just fact).
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I mean It does actually take a few years to get the experience and exposure for a command
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The impatience of Gen Z has been observed across many industries!
I'm sure we are all very sorry that those joining with 500 hours will have to wait some years to meet the command requirements. Sarcasm aside, a dose of reality might not hurt. Let's go back a decade or two. You might join with 3000 hours and still have been 5 years in the right-hand seat.
The impatience of Gen Z has been observed across many industries!
The impatience of Gen Z has been observed across many industries!
Echoing what was said earlier - domestic turboprop is a great job but it isn't reasonable to blame it just on impatience. If it paid a salary remotely approaching the rise in property price and inflation we'd all be happy to wait. Given the lengthening path via RPPP hard to have a lot of confidence in progression to jets.
AirNZ definitely has some work to do ironing things out
AirNZ definitely has some work to do ironing things out
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Echoing what was said earlier - domestic turboprop is a great job but it isn't reasonable to blame it just on impatience. If it paid a salary remotely approaching the rise in property price and inflation we'd all be happy to wait. Given the lengthening path via RPPP hard to have a lot of confidence in progression to jets.
AirNZ definitely has some work to do ironing things out
AirNZ definitely has some work to do ironing things out
It's actually a real shame because the prop fleet is actually an awesome job. If they came to the table and paid significantly more people wouldn't be feeling the need to head abroad or be so pushed to take a base where they have no association just to get on the RPPP list. Adding to this is the growing discontent with blended pay and the fact that people who are joining are years away from being eligible for a command based on their hours (not a poor relection on them at all just fact).
I mean It does actually take a few years to get the experience and exposure for a command
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Blended pay? "New" ATR pilots (join date on/after 3 OCT 2019) not getting paid as much as ATR pilots on the grandfathered pay scale. The difference is not insignificant. It was an effective pay rise for all Q300 pilots, so not as much chatter about it there. Ideally, the company would have just pulled all pilots up to the grandfathered scale when the TP CA was negotiated, but the company claimed they couldn't afford it. They kind of got a "free pass" on this issue in 2022, but it will be interesting to see how hard, if at all, the unions push for it next round (1 OCT 2025).
If you're talking about the people being years away from being eligible for a command... it's simple math. They've hired a lot of FOs in the 500-700hr TT region. They're getting like 300-400hrs of flying a year. If they're lucky! Some are getting less. Training is taking up a lot of the FO flying (both new FOs line training, and Training Captains in RHS during CMD training).
Given that SIC time is halved when counting for ATPL minimum requirements, (and command practice can now only be counted while PF), even getting to the ATPL minimums, let alone the company CMD minimums, is going to take a while for a lot of these new FOs.
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Any idea how many pilots are approaching 65 in the next 5 years?
Also, how do you think Covid has affected career progression for new hires, do you think the ~ 10 years to 320 command/wide body FO will change?
Also, how do you think Covid has affected career progression for new hires, do you think the ~ 10 years to 320 command/wide body FO will change?