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Old 26th Oct 2023, 10:24
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Whoa youíre a much more robust pilot than me! Ten Tasmans and Iím considering changing my profession
Well I donít think anyone would actually get a roster like that, itís normally a mix.
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Old 27th Oct 2023, 01:08
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Thanks !

Whats a sort of Ďaverageí or normal amount of flying for the 320?

Is it easy to pick up shifts if needed, or work less if you wanted ?
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Old 27th Oct 2023, 06:47
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Whats a sort of Ďaverageí or normal amount of flying for the 320?

Is it easy to pick up shifts if needed, or work less if you wanted ?
Maybe 70 hours per 28 day roster. You can bid for high incentive and low incentive rosters but it gets balanced over the long term so all pilots should average about the same number of hours.
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Old 27th Oct 2023, 23:10
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The Average A320 Roster will be 60-65hr IP with 10-12 Days off while the Average SO Roster would be 70-80hrs with 12-14 Days off.
Generally speaking, on the Bus you'll do less IP for more days worked due to the high volume of Domestic flying... then out of the blue you'll get smacked with an outlier roster and push 85 hrs while everyone else is doing 60.

Bidding plays a massive part in your lifestyle. On the Bus, if you wanted, you could avoid overnights and bid entirely on early starts that finish by 3pm and see your kids after School. Or you could chase overnights and avoid early starts.
Long Haul is much the same. Do you want to chase Long trips with clear days off overseas? Or prefer shorter out and backs with more time at home? So long as your bids fit the window, you can achieve either.

If you assume the first 8-10 years at Air NZ will be as an SO/F20 I'd advise giving both a go.
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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 08:45
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Hallo,

So I'm flying the 320 overseas and AirNZ has asked me to complete their assessment.

Whats the scoop on hiring externals atm? Pointers on the recruitment process?

Thanks
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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 20:11
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
Year 1: $120k
Year 2: $134k
Year 8: $153k

SOís, on average, fly higher hours than 320 FOís so the take home works out roughly the same.

Ummmm, "how" does one land up being SO for "8" years? That's mighty excessive!
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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 20:46
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Ummmm, "how" does one land up being SO for "8" years? That's mighty excessive!
By avoiding short haul. I'd probably do it too if I worked there.
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Old 22nd Nov 2023, 20:51
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Hi all,
Does anyone have info. on the NZ ATPL Air Law exam? Or have any notes please?
Apologies for posting on this thread. Need to do this exam and appreciate the help!
Thank you

Just cleared mine few weeks ago + also completed the ATPL flight test in the AirNZ sim (foreign licence conversion).

​​​​​​Happy to send you deets.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 18:58
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Hallo,

So I'm flying the 320 overseas and AirNZ has asked me to complete their assessment.

Whats the scoop on hiring externals atm? Pointers on the recruitment process?

Thanks
The first externals have started this month and will continue next year with around 25-30 currently in the hold file.

For the interview process, brush up on your raw data hand flying skills & basic ATPL knowledge for a tech exam (Met, Law, Principles of flight etc).

The SIM will most likely be in the 787 or 777, not the Airbus.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 19:35
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Be aware that the company have said that from approximately March next year the rppp appoint and second will be in effect. That is the 1:9 ratio has been exhausted. From then every external will have 4 rppp pilots appointed ahead of them on the jet list.
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Old 26th Nov 2023, 21:40
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Be aware that the company have said that from approximately March next year the rppp appoint and second will be in effect. That is the 1:9 ratio has been exhausted. From then every external will have 4 rppp pilots appointed ahead of them on the jet list.
I understand you canít say with certainty without knowing how many externals get hired but in real terms what impact would this have on seniority? Are there any requirements to bid
for command outside of time on the seniority list (hours on type, etc)?

Roughly whatís the required hiring numbers and how much does the list move year on year? Just trying to figure out the impact on command time if you join at the bottom of this hiring wave.
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Old 27th Nov 2023, 00:18
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There's no time on Type requirements for a Command, and by the time anyone on the Jet Fleet has the Seniority they'll have more than enough experience.

The new Course plan (Jan - June '24) has 48 entry level positions on it, some if which could be filled by internal seat changes, but it's a good ballpark.
By the end of this year, ~80 Regional Pilots would have come across in 2023 allowing 8 externals, 6 have already started.
I canít recall the numbers from last year, but as there was no external recruitment letís call it another 6-8 without exceeding the ratio.

As Skankhnut mentioned, it's looking like March is when the RPP 90:10 Ratio will be broken due to experience shortage in the Regionals, which covers 14 of the above courses, so 34 remaining. But at what Ratio I'm not sure. If we end up with another "Link Ban", as is usually the case, 25 externals results in 100 reserved numbers. If we double the course plan and assume 100 new hires for 2024, things could get out of hand rather quickly.
Retirements are 20-30 most years, but more are staying past 65 post COVID.

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Old 27th Nov 2023, 15:33
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 01:24
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​Any updates about how many externals they be recruiting this year? Recieved an email about "limited board dates" availability in 2024 + nothing mentioned about the next stage of the interview process if any.
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​Any updates about how many externals they be recruiting this year? Recieved an email about "limited board dates" availability in 2024 + nothing mentioned about the next stage of the interview process if any.
By the end of 2023 very few externals had started leaving the hold file reasonably healthy, likely resulting in the comment about limited boards.

How many of those Pilots will still be available is yet to be seen, given the current demand globally.

Expect weíll get some more clarity in the coming months, but the last figure I heard was around 50 external hires this year. Personally that sounds a bit low but itíll be driven by how many Regional Pilots are able to be released.
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Old 16th Jan 2024, 09:21
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Originally Posted by ElZilcho
By the end of 2023 very few externals had started leaving the hold file reasonably healthy, likely resulting in the comment about limited boards.

How many of those Pilots will still be available is yet to be seen, given the current demand globally.

Expect weíll get some more clarity in the coming months, but the last figure I heard was around 50 external hires this year. Personally that sounds a bit low but itíll be driven by how many Regional Pilots are able to be released.
Should the current GM be Ďreplacedí, any guesses whether the current recruitment scheme might see the skip? Sounds like the Links are already very short on potential new Skippers and itís only early days!!
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Old 16th Jan 2024, 22:26
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Should the current GM be Ďreplacedí, any guesses whether the current recruitment scheme might see the skip? Sounds like the Links are already very short on potential new Skippers and itís only early days!!
​​​​​​There are pros and cons to every system. The previous iterations of recruitment didn't necessarily work and this one may not entirely either. We are in a somewhat unique environment. How long will it last?

I don't see how throwing the current system out will make much difference other than creating slightly different effects.

I mean one solution might be massive pay rises and overseas recruitment into the Regional airline but I really can't see that happening.
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any word on progress with the low hour pilot programme? rough timelines anyone or still early days
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