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Old 11th Aug 2022, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom View Post
Well that’s one less competitor for the position!
500 hrs multi PIC is not that much to ask for. It also helps to reduce the number of applicants.
I'm happy to give up my place in the line!
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 12:38
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This is hilarious, there is no pilot shortage in Aus, just a shortage of Oztronaughts.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 13:15
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If you Caravan Kings are struggling with that ME PIC time Chartair and Aviair are both advertising for twin drivers on the AFAP Jobs page…
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 21:36
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
If you Caravan Kings are struggling with that ME PIC time Chartair and Aviair are both advertising for twin drivers on the AFAP Jobs page…
The irony being both have multi minimums similar or exceeding the NJS gig.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:15
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Originally Posted by havoste View Post
The irony being both have multi minimums similar or exceeding the NJS gig.
I was hoping someone would notice that!

Perhaps if these Caravan Kings committed to Aussie GA a tad more rather then grab the min hours and bail then they’d have the experience required to apply for NJS.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:26
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Aussieflyboy, your attitude is foolish
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:28
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
You’ll find like many Jet Operators in Aus they require 500 multi command to be a Captain. Insurance/Company/AOC/Watever requirement.
False—Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin, and even NJS don't require 500 multi as part of their min experience for command.

I am yet to fly a jet that is mix up, pitch up, power up, gear up, flap up.

Pilot in command in a single pilot light twin is entirely irrelevant in commanding an RPT passenger jet. An IFR caravan pilot has just a good chance of being a good commander, especially given there is a lot more oversight in an IFR Caravan operation.

You better let all those Fedex Caravan pilots know that they are just a Caravan King and not as skilled as a Duchess pilot....you sound like an absolute dunce.

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:29
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I would've thought the job of manager of a brand new shiny aeroplane would usually be filled by eager ones inside the airline, but here they're having to advertise for someone externally? Also can't help but notice the large amount of ramp and freight jobs available in the left hand column.....
This is 3rd time they’ve run that ad.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:44
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Most likely to be filled from mainline apparently
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:45
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I went for an interview with Qlink in 2012 and was told I had filled out my logbook incorrectly. Apparently you can't put multiple legs on the same line according to them.
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That's when I knew I had to leave!

As for commiting to GA. Exactly how many years must a person live in Kununurra to show the required level of commitment?
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 04:31
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
so just like all Australian airlines then?
Can you name all the others with a military based training system? Most airlines I’ve worked for train their crew to standard not train guys to a point only to scrub them.

Curious which airlines you’re referring to basically.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 06:53
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Originally Posted by volare_737 View Post
I just laugh !! This is typical Australia where some people still believe they invented Aviation. I flew overseas with 300 Hour cadets which came straight onto 320's. Most where perfectly alright operating the aeroplane to a very high standard. They might have lacked on the operationl experience to mange operational problems, but hey, the Captain is supposed to work as well every now and again !!!!!
Unfortunately could not agree more. From my time operating overseas I was stunned how true the myth of the Austronaut really was. It's embarrassing how superior some of these kids think they are because they flew a clapped out 404 up North for a few seasons, yet by most accounts their basic airmanship and abilities were far from impressive. You would hope it is the minority but I sure heard plenty of stories of them.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 09:40
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
NJS has a long history of operating Regional Jets. Remember NJS was flying Qantas passengers domestically before Qantas had a domestic airline. This is not a GA with Jets company like Network or Alliance.

My understanding is Qantas has slowly destroyed and crushed the happiness of the Tech Crew with multiple Base closures the past few years (the lifestyle bases).

Other then Tasmanian locals everyone is too scared to move to Hobart due to the fear of it closing and Melbourne was full of Cairns and Perth people who hate/hated the place. This is why they are short there and will be for some time.

Will be interesting to see how they will crew the A220 - I suspect they will need to offer retention bonuses soon or they’ll have a bunch of ex Rex cadets running the show.
The tech and cabin crew weren't GA with jets but the management certainly was
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Old 31st Aug 2022, 22:42
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The tech and cabin crew weren't GA with jets but the management certainly was
It seems that management are totally bewildered by the exodus to….well anywhere else, and now their response it to advertise for what appears to be cadets to fill the gaps.
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 00:18
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The blokes defending Aus GA and encouraging people to get (back) into it 😂. Complete losers.

Good on those who actually know their worth. May Australian Aviation reap what it sows (and barring another black swan event, may this just be the beginning).
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 01:05
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns View Post
The blokes defending Aus GA and encouraging people to get (back) into it 😂. Complete losers.

Good on those who actually know their worth. May Australian Aviation reap what it sows (and barring another black swan event, may this just be the beginning).
Didn't get on the Baron mate?
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 01:08
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The Australian GA culture is in part what breeds the Austronaut culture. There's this idea that its a right of passage and if you haven't done it, then somehow you're not deserving of an airline job. It's about time Australia caught up with the rest of the world and realised it's a job that can be done by a cadet, someone from the air force or someone who has gone through GA. There are multiple paths that lead to an airline and there is no 'right' path or no 'better' path either. It's about time Australians got rid of the chip on their shoulders thinking that they are more superior than European/Asian/American pilots.
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 01:35
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The Australian GA culture is in part what breeds the Austronaut culture. There's this idea that its a right of passage and if you haven't done it, then somehow you're not deserving of an airline job. It's about time Australia caught up with the rest of the world and realised it's a job that can be done by a cadet, someone from the air force or someone who has gone through GA. There are multiple paths that lead to an airline and there is no 'right' path or no 'better' path either. It's about time Australians got rid of the chip on their shoulders thinking that they are more superior than European/Asian/American pilots.
I think you’ll find the ‘Austronaut’ culture stems from the RAAF and Cadets. Aussie GA pilots generally drink beer, swim in gorges, discuss international relations with attractive backpackers and get the job done safely.

Back on topic - Rumour has it that they are struggling to get people to turn up the interviews full stop. People accept the interview time and then don’t show!?
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 03:14
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I think you’ll find the ‘Austronaut’ culture stems from the RAAF and Cadets. Aussie GA pilots generally drink beer, swim in gorges, discuss international relations with attractive backpackers and get the job done safely.
Sorry how could the Austronaught culture stem from Australian cadets if those cadets went through the same career path as the way 95% of pilots in the rest of the world are trained? Straight the right hand seat jet or turboprop after initial training without a few thousand hours of bush flying?

”Austronaught” culture is “you need to have several thousand command hours of flying lighties in the bush before getting into the RHS of a multicrew aircraft as this is the ONLY way you’ll ever develop command decision making skills. As all you Euros, Asians and Australian cadets didn’t do it that way then we are better pilots than you, full stop.”

It will probably come to pass the QGPA graduates may be starting at NJS after their initial training. If so then that’s no different to the way it’s been done here for decades.

NJS want 500hrs multi command. Leaving aside the question of us 500hrs multi even necessary to be an airline F/O, it even possible to get that in Australia today? Piston twins like Barons and Chieftains flying less, singles like Airvans and Caravans flying more, PC-12s taking over King Airs, bank running a thing of the past, regional turboprop routes taking over former single pilot twin piston routes, plus the overall decline of GA. Add to that the decimation of foreign pilot training for multi engine instructors.

NJS and other airlines are going to have to adapt to the new reality. You can’t expect the ridiculously high hour requirements of days past when there’s better ways to recruit.

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Old 1st Sep 2022, 03:35
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
It seems that management are totally bewildered by the exodus to….well anywhere else, and now their response it to advertise for what appears to be cadets to fill the gaps.
You forgot to mention the soon to be ex-government pilots who may be parachuted into the left seat. I am led to believe that negotiations to reduce the minimum entry requirements for this cohort is currently being sought.

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