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Old 9th Jun 2022, 10:39
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OK, so what you're saying is that outside of the US that Australia has the worlds best paid domestic pilots?
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 12:48
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OK, so what you're saying is that outside of the US that Australia has the worlds best paid domestic pilots?
No, Not Australia, but Specifically referring to the QF SHEA. In terms of narrow body pilots flying 737/a321, even inclusive of the proposed variations, would I be wrong?

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Old 14th Jun 2022, 10:00
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It should be noted that the agreement that NJS pilots are voting on as we speak includes a clause stating the agreement covers ALL variants of the A220.

With Airbus publicly stating they are developing an A220-500 which will be close to the size of an A320NEO, the implications of this clause could result in the original Bin Chickens slowly replacing Shorthaul pilots as the 737s are retired.

Apparently they have been offered a ‘vote yes or be redundant’ sort of “agreement”.
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 11:49
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
It should be noted that the agreement that NJS pilots are voting on as we speak includes a clause stating the agreement covers ALL variants of the A220.

With Airbus publicly stating they are developing an A220-500 which will be close to the size of an A320NEO, the implications of this clause could result in the original Bin Chickens slowly replacing Shorthaul pilots as the 737s are retired.

Apparently they have been offered a ‘vote yes or be redundant’ sort of “agreement”.
And word is they're voting in an inferior EBA. What a bunch of spineless you know what's.
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 12:02
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“Dad, why are you unemployed and moving overseas?”
”Well son, I couldn’t have some bloke on the internet calling me spineless now, could I??”
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 12:39
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns View Post
And word is they're voting in an inferior EBA. What a bunch of spineless you know what's.
Wouldn’t agreeing to vary an existing EBA with zero benefits and clear losses also constitute “voting in an inferior EBA”?
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 15:19
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Wouldn’t agreeing to vary an existing EBA with zero benefits and clear losses also constitute “voting in an inferior EBA”?
In the quiet words of the virgin mary, come again?
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 21:41
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns View Post
In the quiet words of the virgin mary, come again?
I think the inference is the proposed QF SH EA - something where the pilot group are giving up clear benefits for no clear game.

It’s interesting in this day of enterprise bargaining where businesses usually roll out the line that pay increases need to be paid for / offset by productivity gains. Makes you wonder why one pilot union is pushing for a deal where the Company are clearly benefiting from productivity increases yet the pilot group are not seeing any benefit to that….
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 02:14
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
It should be noted that the agreement that NJS pilots are voting on as we speak includes a clause stating the agreement covers ALL variants of the A220.

With Airbus publicly stating they are developing an A220-500 which will be close to the size of an A320NEO, the implications of this clause could result in the original Bin Chickens slowly replacing Shorthaul pilots as the 737s are retired.
Conversely the agreement to SH pilots covers all A320 family versions from A318 to A321. So the A318 or A319 could also be introduced into mainline, which are well within the 717/A220 capacity replacing other group pilots.

Swings and roundabouts.


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Old 15th Jun 2022, 02:49
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Conversely the agreement to SH pilots covers all A320 family versions from A318 to A321. So the A318 or A319 could also be introduced into mainline, which are well within the 717/A220 capacity replacing other group pilots.

Swings and roundabouts.
Could the future larger version of the A220 replace some of the 737-800's and the rest be replaced with the A321NEO's ?
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 06:19
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
Could the future larger version of the A220 replace some of the 737-800's and the rest be replaced with the A321NEO's ?
Its hard to see how that wouldn't be entirely possible if the 220-300 is successful.
Although there is talk of the -500, Airbus have said its not a priority and wont even be considered for the next few years at least.

I think its also entirety possible some of those 321xlrs start moving in on existing A330 routes.
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