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Old 21st Jun 2022, 06:49
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QF A330 Evacuation challenges

Pretty messy overall however Passengers trying to re enter a aircraft once already evacuated to retrieve a bag? Jail them. Iím serious, thatís pretty bad. Crews also doing the same? Speechless. Cabin crew asking passengers to drop bags before going down the slides, some adhered, some ignored. Disgraceful.

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Old 21st Jun 2022, 07:11
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So what would you have happen to the several Cabin Crew who reentered the aircraft to retrieve their bags, before ARFF gave the ok?
Hang 'em from the yardarm? Or would a good 'ol flogging in the stocks be sufficient?
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 12:07
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The issue of people taking their baggage aside, one passenger went down the slide on their knees because they "didn't know what to do". It's a slide, something the majority of people would have gone down in a playground (and yes, I've been down an aircraft slide before, it's not rocket science). Assuming this is the same person later referred to as having seriously injured both their knees. We're royally f'd as a species with these kinds of geniuses around.
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The captain had been flying with the operator for about 30 years, initially on the Boeing 737 type aircraft, and undertaking a number of senior roles within the organisation, before moving onto the Airbus A330 type aircraft about 3.5 years prior to the occurrence. They had accumulated about 20,100 flight hours, of which 8,238 hours were on the A330.
8.238 hours in 3.5 years on the bus or am I reading that wrongly?? That doesn't add up
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 02:13
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We're royally f'd as a species with these kinds of geniuses around.
This is why take away coffee lids have ďcaution contents hotĒ written on them and hairdryers say ďdo not use in the bathtubĒ. The species is okay, we could help things along by removing some warning labels though, just saying.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 02:41
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We know the reason the Captain made some mistakes, he was obviously heavily fatigued after flying 8300 hours in 3.5 years. I think an extra 0 may be added there.

In the case of passengers and evacuations, they are frightened and confused, half of them already had bags out ready to disembark. The general rule I've always considered is people will get injured in evacuations, that's the risk of it, you can't expect the great masses to act like a bunch of crack soldiers when the alarms sound. Even trained professionals make mistakes, the average human is liable to do anything when suddenly startled into fight or flight mode.

Also the passenger that tried to re-enter simply walked back via the aerobridge, I assume most other passengers had walked off with their bags so its a pretty unusual situation for an evacuation. Probably though everyone else had their bags, I'll go back get mine, not realising it was a real evac.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 03:07
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The Captain was presumably an FO on the 330 for a number of years before their command on the 737 and then returned to the 330 when their seniority permitted. 8000 hrs TT on the 330, of which perhaps a couple of thousand were command.
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In the case of passengers and evacuations, they are frightened and confused, half of them already had bags out ready to disembark. The general rule I've always considered is people will get injured in evacuations, that's the risk of it, you can't expect the great masses to act like a bunch of crack soldiers when the alarms sound. Even trained professionals make mistakes, the average human is liable to do anything when suddenly startled into fight or flight mode.
That's still the crux of it unfortunately. I've often pondered that in a evac where the structure of the aircraft has broken up and the entire cabin is scrambling - i'd fully expect passengers to open over wing exits straight into smoke, fire or high water despite being specifically briefed not to, potentially only minutes before.
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I think it sounds worse than the reality. As we know, as soon as the seatbelt sign goes off at the gate, everyone jumps up and grabs their bags. (People prefer to wait standing in the aisle than in a seat for some reason).
So if they are already standing up with bags in hand and then the evac command comes, itís hardly surprising they took their bags with them. If everyone dropped them in the aisles it would have been considerably harder to make your way to the exit.
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