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Virgin Australia - Phoenix Rising from the Ashes?

Old 5th Sep 2022, 12:02
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Yes maybe true. However staff support was there plus lots being trained. And they were friendly. When I last flew with Qantas there were far too few staff on the ground assisting...often none, and those who were there were surly. Understandably no doubt. So at least they seem to be trying at virgin to make the customer experience better. Update...first flight booked with jetsrar recently..jq15 to Cairns tomorrow as they were the only option..frigging cancelled today. Now have to cancel all bookings up there. Qantas jetstar continue to amaze how bad they are now.

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Old 6th Sep 2022, 05:45
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Anyone know how recruitment is going?
Still sorting applications or have they started to contact people?
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 08:44
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Originally Posted by startno1
Anyone know how recruitment is going?
Still sorting applications or have they started to contact people?
they are contacting people with interview dates.
Also paying for flights and accomodation for anyone not residing in Brisbane.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
they are contacting people with interview dates.
Also paying for flights and accomodation for anyone not residing in Brisbane.
Wow!

Times have certainly changed.
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 11:48
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Who would have thought an airline could treat applicants with a hint of respect. Hopefully it starts a trend..
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 11:54
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Cheers. Any word on how many they are looking for?
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Old 10th Sep 2022, 19:59
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Originally Posted by startno1
Cheers. Any word on how many they are looking for?
I would think hundreds.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 00:14
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For someone joining the ranks today, what kind of movement would be expected, such as bases, time to command etc.? Before the keyboard warriors get their knickers in a knot, it's just a question ok. I thought it would be interesting if anyone has any thoughts, given the number of pilots that are not returning and, I assume, some increased attrition.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 00:32
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Bases as an FO? Very quick for everywhere but Brisbane, and for Brisbane a couple of years. Commands? I don't think anyone is going to be able to put a reasonable number on it at this stage other than to say, quite a while. There are too many factors to wash out including fleet changes, inactive pilot return, changes at VARA and general pilot retention. Quickest base for a command would probably be Adelaide, but with those above factors it's pretty hard to tell.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 02:25
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Well todays bid import sucked.

only 11 people (pretty senior as well) and the email states no more ground schools planned.

externals might be a while away after all!
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 03:04
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Why? Inactives have priority to come back over externals. If you're on the inactive list then you've already worked there, and have first hand experience on how long it takes to go from job ad to window seat when you first start. All the inactive guys that I know who have come back describe a much easier and faster process.

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Old 12th Sep 2022, 08:53
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Problem is, the company said they池e hiring external etc and busy.
Todays import were pretty senior people. Guys and gals on the inactive list down lower thought they would be back shortly (and not taking jobs elsewhere due to that) and today they致e said that courses are now full and no more planned.

with external interviews starting in a fortnight, are they telling these people that it could be a very long time before start dates?

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Old 12th Sep 2022, 09:39
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Yeah it痴 all taken a bit of a unexpected turn. Still plenty on the inactive list to go back so you wouldn稚 expect any external starts before this time next year, especially with no more inactive course starts planned for the year. December and January are dead months for obvious holiday reason so hopeful expectations are they start up the monthly import of inactive early next year, or, some other plans they池e keeping close to the chest (they were suspiciously low Second Officer like minimum requirements for direct entry FO.. for australia anyway)

Definitely a piece of information missing as external recruitment at the moment does not add up

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Old 12th Sep 2022, 09:45
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Originally Posted by Bumble_Pilot
Problem is, the company said they池e hiring external etc and busy.
Todays import were pretty senior people. Guys and gals on the inactive list down lower thought they would be back shortly (and not taking jobs elsewhere due to that) and today they致e said that courses are now full and no more planned.

with external interviews starting in a fortnight, are they telling these people and it could be a very long time before start dates?
its probably a smart move - compared to QF who delayed and postponed hiring until they needed people yesterday.
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Old 12th Sep 2022, 12:07
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The reason the company has started to accept external applications is because the last bid import before this one went so low on the list. The last inactive pilot on that import was only about 70-80 from the bottom of the list. The reason for this was because they were primarily filling ADL and PER FO slots.

The most resent import was for SYD ans MEL FO slots, and as a result they were filled by inactive pilots much higher on the list. This highlights the fact that the vast majority of inactive pilots on the list probably only have bids in for east coast bases.

Don稚 be surprised if some external applicants get picked up for courses before we have exhausted the inactive pilot list. Especially if they are willing to accept any base in the network.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 00:34
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Did VA get the interest they were looking for?
Not much talk about it all.

Is it likely to be a long and slow process?
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 01:16
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Still at least 80-100 redundant pilots that haven稚 even received an offer to return. And with the 鮮o further intakes planned after the last bid import, I wouldn稚 be holding your breath.
I assume they are all ATR/CFO and later Tiger pilots?
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 02:31
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Yes they are about 100 from the bottom, it includes VANZ F/O’s they have an excess of Captains but are very short of F/O’s.There is a training bottle neck until 2023.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 03:03
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Thanks for the info.
Not expecting to jump anyone on the list to return that痴 for sure.
Just wondering if they will likely build a healthy hold file of FO痴 for when the list is exhausted.
Time will tell.
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Old 21st Sep 2022, 03:25
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The info I have is that it all depends on the bidding behaviour of the inactive pilots. Just because the latest intake was 100 or so from the bottom of the list doesn't mean much. At this stage, there are still probably 500 inactive pilots who aren't interested in returning. That may or may not change. Theoretically, if they all changed their mind and wanted to return, you could wait until 2026 before external recruitment.

At the earliest, I wouldn't expect external recruitment until the end of 2023.
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