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Old 26th Jul 2022, 10:23
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I don’t understand why Virgin people are so disparaging of their company. Not much more than a year ago it was looking like Ansett… most ex Ansett people I know would have given their all to get a white knight saviour.

Don’t mean to offend, but it almost seems like that is forgotten and people are actively working against the business.

Do people want to see it fall or feel like it can’t fail again?

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Old 26th Jul 2022, 13:11
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People simply want to be treated fairly. There are now plenty of pilot jobs out there and people are voting with their feet. The employees have taken a big hit during COVID and unfortunately airline employees have taken massive cuts while most industries have had significant pay raises over the last 2 years. If the airline can't provide suitable conditions and pay market rates, people will keep leaving. There is no incentive to sit in the RHS for 15 years waiting for a command when that can be achieved elsewhere at a much faster rate. It's not about wanting VA to fail, it's about them trying to squeeze their staff while the exco bask in large bonuses.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:36
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Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper
I donít understand why Virgin people are so disparaging of their company. Not much more than a year ago it was looking like AnsettÖ most ex Ansett people I know would have given their all to get a white knight saviour.

Donít mean to offend, but it almost seems like that is forgotten and people are actively working against the business.

Do people want to see it fall or feel like it canít fail again?
Itís not people actively working against the business but rather people not going the extra mile anymore. Think extension denials, flying outside of reserve period, reducing rest periods, coming in on days off etc. Crew feel let down from all the cuts to terms and conditions, then throw in the general chaos out there and itís no wonder people just donít want to help out. The company has made itís bed, it now needs to lie in it.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:47
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The other thing is that Staff at most of the airlines are not scared for their jobs anymore. Too much scaremongering from management about what could happen, when in reality we all know the industry is booming. So a lot of feeling from staff that if they want to keep pushing the whole doom and gloom, fine, let it fail, someone else will buy the company and do better by everyone. The two way street has become so one way now that staff have given up giving back and just working the day and forgetting about any extra miles as it's not recognised by anyone, its the same for all airlines in Australia at the moment.

The baggage handlers claims sum it up, they feel overworked, underpaid and undervalued, and they know they don't have many other people wanting to do the job. Which is a problem across the board in aviation now, so many other jobs that are easier with less commute that pay similar or more with far less hassels, security, rules etc.
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Old 4th Aug 2022, 12:13
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Could anyone shed some light on what a current roster is like. Days a week/overnights etc
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 01:46
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Could anyone shed some light on what a current roster is like. Days a week/overnights etc
Start by reading the two relevant EAs (2018 and 2021) but 12 days off in a 28 day roster, single days only possible with the pilot opting in. 13 days if the roster is quiet (below 65 credits)

Number of overnights is one thing that pilots have influence if not control over at the roster bidding stage. Pilots who desire day trips get them, pilots preferring longer trips probably get 2 hotel nights per week.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 04:20
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Well less than 50% of those who 'could' have come back have chosen to do so. What does that tell you?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:15
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Shortly we will open expressions of interest for external applicants to join Virgin Australia as B737 First Officers.



The process for awarding First Officer positions will adhere to the following priority:


  1. Unfrozen Inactive Pilots awardedin accordance with the terms of the Re-employment Policy;

  1. Frozen Inactive Pilots will be awarded.


Note:
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    • Pilots must update their bids to include positions that they are willing and able to accept. The next bid import will occur on Monday 5th September 2022 @ 0700 AEST.
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    • The 2 week consideration period (as outlined in the Re-employment policy) will not be available. Pilots that are uncontactable or do not accept the awarded position within 24 hours will be bypassed.
    • Training courses may occur within 4 weeks of assignment.
    • Frozen Pilots that decline the offered position will have their administrative freeze reset.

  1. Surplus positions will be offered to external applicants.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 11:29
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Externals have opened
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 02:52
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Can anyone give a realistic time frame from external application to start date?

My guess is 12 months given the training backlog and inactive pilots bidding in the next bid import, but thought someone in the know might have more infoÖÖ
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 03:51
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Two months for some. People aren't coming back, that's why they are putting out for externals. Talking to a mate who is coming back and was awarded recently, they are having lots of issues filling courses.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 04:06
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Can anyone give a realistic time frame from external application to start date?

My guess is 12 months given the training backlog and inactive pilots bidding in the next bid import, but thought someone in the know might have more info……
I am not 'in the know', however I would say less than 6mths given how many inactive pilots are turning down their bids
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 04:10
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They need pilots over there yesterday. If you got the nod from them, I’d imagine you’d be starting 4 weeks later
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 05:28
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Would they look at people previously on the hold file or would that be well and truly forgotten about?
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 08:44
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I am not in the know..... but if you press start application the following comes up- so personally I would restart the process just to be sure.

Existing applicants:If you have previously applied for a position with us, please use the same e-mail address as your previous application.
This will assist us in processing your application as quickly as possible. You can update your e-mail address upon starting your application.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 10:59
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Can anyone working for virgin at the moment shed some insight into conditions, rosters, average take home pay, expected bases for new joins etc. TIA
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 00:01
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Originally Posted by Jc31
Can anyone working for virgin at the moment shed some insight into conditions, rosters, average take home pay, expected bases for new joins etc. TIA
Better than driving a Bus!
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Jc31
Can anyone working for virgin at the moment shed some insight into conditions, rosters, average take home pay, expected bases for new joins etc. TIA
Not working for them, but based on the 2021 EBA

EBA base salary ($175.5 / hr * 57.5MCG * 13RP) - $131k
28 day Roster, issued 7 days prior
Min 12 DDO
TR bond/freeze - 36months or $45k

Bases I would assume SYD/MEL/ADL, no inactive pilots recalled in July were awarded Brisbane.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 03:00
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Virgin just announced an expanded partnership with Link Airways from the East Coast Capitals to regional ports in NSW, Qld and Vic.
I wouldn't be surprised if AirNorth is next for regional Qld from BNE (and SYD) through their E70s and leased E90s.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 03:05
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They are some fairly low minimums. Iím not sure who they are targeting, management always have one group in sight. I assume they are after Rex either seat, Skytrans, and so on. Get them before Jetstar does in the not too far future.
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