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Old 7th May 2022, 10:48
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher View Post
Who are the “spineless five”?
no idea. Might be more than 5, might be less. My point was those most vocal who seem intent on bringing down any COM that doesn’t align with their personal agendas should find another way. Anonymous personal attacks on hard working volunteer COM members, regardless of which side of the G20 fence they sit on, don’t do anyone any favours. How can we have any hope of achieving anything when everytime something happens that someone doesn’t agree with, COM are wasting time sending emails defending themselves and addressing social media/ texts rather than getting on with the job we elected them for. It’s been a pattern over the last 5-10, and frankly, it makes us all look like mugs.
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Old 7th May 2022, 10:51
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Old 8th May 2022, 05:42
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Having spent a fair amount of time in and around the Qantas IR department I can assure you the individual unions are pretty powerless. They have an entire floor of strategists who have planned how too play one off against the other and what timeframes they are willing to settle each group to maximise the pressure on the rest. Qantas already knows by whom and how these aircraft will be operated and what time they will be introduced. The negotiations are just window dressing.
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Old 8th May 2022, 07:17
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Haha Ollie, you’re hilarious. First you know someone in JC heading up the 321 project, now you know the IR department and their ‘floor of strategists’. Just stop…you’re giving me stitches…it’s too much for a Sunday.
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Old 8th May 2022, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Brakerider View Post
it’s actually not enjoyable though. As a regular line pilot, it’s bloody stressful. At what point can/will regulators intervene to ensure good faith bargaining? What happens in May when we have a Labor government? Will employees ever be empowered again to negotiate or will we allow QF to employ mafia shakedown tactics til our retirement.
Once upon a time in the industrial landscape, the bench of commissioners was "balanced" in that the number of commissioners who previously represented employees was equal to those who previously represented employers. Our masters have manipulated the "fair" work system so that in today's world the vast of majority of those on the bench were previously employer advocates. In my view, historically there has been two ways to overcome this oppression of the workers. One involves ruling class blood flowing in the streets, the other is for the people to band into groups (commonly referred to as unions) and take (industrial) action. Until that happens nothing will change, the idea that a political party will deliver high wages and good working conditions is a myth, no government has or ever will do such a thing. The only improvement to wages & conditions will only come from a strong union (solid membership). Do you think that low union membership and declining wages and employment conditions is a coincidence? For me, It is a no brainer.
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Old 8th May 2022, 09:58
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it’s actually not enjoyable though. As a regular line pilot, it’s bloody stressful. At what point can/will regulators intervene to ensure good faith bargaining?
In my opinion your desire for a strong unbiased regulator looking at safety risks won’t happen. I approached the regulator during a particular period of very stressful IR disharmony. I presented their own research and words with evidence linking their words to the companies words/actions. Best I can say is they heard what I said, read what I presented, then went to lunch leaving me with the words “it’s an IR issue not safety”. A more realistic view is they just didn’t care.

You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
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Old 8th May 2022, 12:57
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Originally Posted by crosscutter View Post
Haha Ollie, you’re hilarious. First you know someone in JC heading up the 321 project, now you know the IR department and their ‘floor of strategists’. Just stop…you’re giving me stitches…it’s too much for a Sunday.

Not my fault I am so well connected :-). Believe it or not, just passing on information.
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Old 8th May 2022, 14:34
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Originally Posted by LAME2 View Post
In my opinion your desire for a strong unbiased regulator looking at safety risks won’t happen. I approached the regulator during a particular period of very stressful IR disharmony. I presented their own research and words with evidence linking their words to the companies words/actions. Best I can say is they heard what I said, read what I presented, then went to lunch leaving me with the words “it’s an IR issue not safety”. A more realistic view is they just didn’t care.

You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
All it takes is, during the negotiating/voting period, a large number of pilots to go sick due “unfit to operate” leading to cancelled services, to draw attention at senior levels. The one thing that has improved over the years is sick leave. If you feel worried about your future, and it’s playing on your mind, use it at the time things are most difficult for you. Ensure your own well-being, that of your passengers and, ultimately, the company.
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Old 8th May 2022, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Clear_Left View Post
According to the Townsville Refueller the 220s will still go to NJS, with Network being kept around only long enough to be a legitimate threat to ensure a deal largely in the company’s favour.

Bain has approached Network to combine their 320s with VARA and sold off as a package to Spirit to train their soon to be introduced cadets to get around the FAA 1500hr rule. VARAs Fokkers replaced with -700s in an attempt a B scale. Networks Fokkers slowly dissipate to be replaced initially by 737s and eventually NJS 220s.
i would assume that Bain rumour is a little far fetched. Is there any info to backup that claim? Bain getting Qantas to work with Vara?
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Old 8th May 2022, 23:56
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Originally Posted by LAME2 View Post
In my opinion your desire for a strong unbiased regulator looking at safety risks won’t happen. I approached the regulator during a particular period of very stressful IR disharmony. I presented their own research and words with evidence linking their words to the companies words/actions. Best I can say is they heard what I said, read what I presented, then went to lunch leaving me with the words “it’s an IR issue not safety”. A more realistic view is they just didn’t care.

You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
I believe the regulator Brakerider was referring to was not of the aviation variety. The regulator will not touch IR issues. You could argue that pilots who work under a a regime of fear or favour is in itself a threat to safety but the regulator will not go anywhere near a topic where IR connotations are involved. For example, many in the GA sector will have been subjected to some sort of intimidation or threat for not turning a blind eye to some aspect of an operation (writing defects in the maintenance log springs to mind) this is prevalent in organisations where pilots have little or no industrial protection. There was a story about a group of pilots who raised like concerns with a representative of the regulator, what transpired was what some may describe as disturbing.
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Old 9th May 2022, 02:10
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The regulator will not touch IR issues.
Well that's a bit of a myth. What do they call FRMS? What about work rules? They're regulated by CASA and are part of a EA. So CASA are right in the thick of it whether they like to believe that or not.

If I recall correctly REX lobbied the Government over the first iteration of the FRMS which according to them would have caused problems for their operation. So CASA kindly went all out to accommodated them and ignored their own research. So if CASA think they are not involved in IR matters they are delusional.
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Old 9th May 2022, 05:52
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Where do CASA stand if they are made aware of a looming safety problem and then fail to act? Is “we don’t dabble in that type of safety issue” really a valid defence? Would that stand up to legal scrutiny? I thought knowledge of a threat to life, and failure to act on that knowledge would present a problem at every hurdle if you were fronting a coronial inquiry.
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Old 9th May 2022, 15:14
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Where do CASA stand if they are made aware of a looming safety problem and then fail to act? Is “we don’t dabble in that type of safety issue” really a valid defence? Would that stand up to legal scrutiny? I thought knowledge of a threat to life, and failure to act on that knowledge would present a problem at every hurdle if you were fronting a coronial inquiry.

I want to know where a safety problem occurs with an industrial issue?

if an incident occurs due to industrial problems creating stresses on an individual, that problem lands in the lap of the individual.

Mental health has become a major issue with all regulators, the regulator will target the individual not the business. Blurring the line between safety and industrial is a long bow to draw.

I have been involved with airlines where individuals knew they were shortly to be unemployed, yet the airline continued to its demise. Should CASA have grounded them before this?

The Australian airline industry has become so insular to global events thanks to government bailouts, it’s time to wake up.

Joyce said QF was screwed if it wasn’t for a bailout.
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Old 9th May 2022, 23:08
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Originally Posted by KABOY View Post

The Australian airline industry has become so insular to global events thanks to government bailouts, it’s time to wake up.

Joyce said QF was screwed if it wasn’t for a bailout.
Yet. As soon as they start seeing cash flow again, they go out and acquire more leverage for the next downturn. An operation that was doing ok in the niche. Now proposed to be swallowed by this corporate animal.
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