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Qantas terminates long haul cabin crew agreement, demands more flexibility

Old 27th Jan 2022, 10:41
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This could be a segue from the French revolution. A gold coin contribution from every shafted worker should be sufficient to acquire one or more working guillotines, a few spare blades and some chains. Not sure about Popcorn.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 13:56
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5 grand a day to help run a airline. The same person puts his mother into an aged care home and the person that looks after her gets about $23.00 an hour. Puts a lot into perspective really.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 19:47
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This could be a segue from the French revolution. A gold coin contribution from every shafted worker should be sufficient to acquire one or more working guillotines, a few spare blades and some chains. Not sure about Popcorn.
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I think the Hong Konger’s will be taking up supply for the next little while
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 01:12
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QF agrees to mediation in cabin crew dispute

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...zGrYu9_D3n7cVI

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Old 28th Jan 2022, 02:33
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5 grand a day to help run a airline. The same person puts his mother into an aged care home and the person that looks after her gets about $23.00 an hour. Puts a lot into perspective really.
However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.

On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 04:12
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However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.
Agreed. Hopefully one day the Qantas group find someone who can.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 07:42
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QF agrees to mediation in cabin crew dispute

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...zGrYu9_D3n7cVI
The 1 comment made at the end of this article is so true,he continually wants to provoke his workers & treat them as if they owe him something.
The execs at QF have no idea what respect means & is 1 of the main reasons why the workforce has such a low opinion of their managers who continually try to use every trick in the book to lower conditions & pay whilst at the same time continually tell everyone what a great job they do.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 07:55
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
However just about anybody could work in aged care. Not everyone can or wants to run an airline.

On saying that though QF never really test the CEO or executive job market. It's all just "jobs for the boys".
I firmly believe not everyone can or wants to work in aged care. It is a brutal industry.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 08:42
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Not everyone can or wants to run an airline..
Not everyone can fly aeroplanes (tech or cabin crew). It’s a specialised “profession” that these CEOs cannot get rich without. The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 09:06
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Agreed. Hopefully one day the Qantas group find someone who can.
you have to be joking.
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher View Post
you have to be joking.
who sent Virgin into administration? Who set up Compass and failed?
Who were the wizards that saw Ansett’s demise?
should I continue?
Exactly. A lot of you may not like Alan Joyce, but your airline isn’t exactly about to go into administration is it…..
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Exactly. A lot of you may not like Alan Joyce, but your airline isn’t exactly about to go into administration is it…..
How much of the farm was sold to stay liquid though?
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 11:58
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay View Post
Not everyone can fly aeroplanes (tech or cabin crew). It’s a specialised “profession” that these CEOs cannot get rich without. The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling.
Not sure what you mean by 'The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling'.

Pretty smart tactic by QF if they are playing hardball. Look at what the alternatives are for each party. Qantas has nothing to lose at mediation as they don't have to agree to anything. FAAA has their back to the wall as the termination process is still in place. If they don't agree with what QF has to offer there is a risk they may lose everything and end up with the modern award, which is a win for Qantas. If they come to a mediated outcome, it will probably be the outcome Qantas wants as there is no reason for Qantas to agree with anything less. If they don't come to agreement, it will give strength to the Qantas application for termination. It would be a risky strategy for the FAAA to be betting the farm on the application to terminate being dismissed and then reverting to the existing agreement that would still need to be negotiated.

There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 20:20
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Originally Posted by theheadmaster View Post
Not sure what you mean by 'The fact that QF have decided to return to the table is rather telling'.

There are some hard lessons to be learned here about IR strategy. Hopefully pilots can look to these lessons when having to make important industrial decisions rather than conflating the issues with the moral arguments around executive remuneration.
And hopefully VA pilots are taking special note about just exactly what could have happened. A lot of ill informed opinions were going around during the last EA vote about how a Company couldn’t / wouldn’t terminate.

The industrial landscape is as brutal as ever for airline employees in Australia with Industrial Laws stacked against employees and a pretty ‘employer friendly’ Commission.

I hope this current crop of airline management reap what they sow. This played out over Christmas at VA when cabin crew, and to a lesser extent pilots, refused to work on days off, which when combined with significant sick leave led to massive issues in crewing the flying. How long until this starts to happen at QF and then JQ?
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 00:31
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The IR laws in this country are a joke.
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 00:41
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They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer. The irony is that the Coalition government has left them virtually untouched since they came to power in 2013. They’re virtually the same as they were when Labor got rid of Workchoices in 2008 and introduced the Fairwork Commission.

And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.

No, definitely not employee friendly.

Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 01:32
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Pretty smart tactic by QF if they are playing hardball.
It certainly is and highlights that the balance of favour is firmly with employers as far as the Act is concerned. Terminate the agreement, get done over OR agree to mediation, and get done over. I feel for the FAAA. I presume termination has a good chance given the COVID situation. Unlucky cards.
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 02:02
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer. The irony is that the Coalition government has left them virtually untouched since they came to power in 2013. They’re virtually the same as they were when Labor got rid of Workchoices in 2008 and introduced the Fairwork Commission.

And lets not forget that the lockout in QF happened under a Labor government and their laws also.

No, definitely not employee friendly.

Of course the question is how should a union respond to that point? I’ll leave that little hand grenade just lying in the dirt for a bit!
they didn't need to change the laws, they just stacked the bench of umpires
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Old 29th Jan 2022, 03:18
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they didn't need to change the laws, they just stacked the bench of umpires
Less publicity if you don't need to change laws.
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Old 2nd Feb 2022, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
They are certainly heavily geared towards the employer.
No, definitely not employee friendly.
Not sure what planet your living on.

Australia has one of the most employee friendly IR arrangements in the World.

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