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New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX

Old 11th Jul 2022, 02:47
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
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Mildura locals are being offered a non stop route to Brisbane (with land transfer) shaving hours off a 1 stop trip and avoiding Sydney or Melbourne at less than 1/2 the price
For a private service (ie taxi, Uber etc), how much do you think you can get from MCY to Bris CBD for?
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 06:22
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
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VA was serving Mildura pre-pandemic with 737s
Pre-pandemic, VA were losing half a million dollars a week, so probably not the pin-up girl for route selection/yield management.

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Bonza (2 per week) is proposing 19,000 per week to MCY (Brisbane North) I stand corrected which is less than currently go to Sydney
Mildura locals are being offered a non stop route to Brisbane (with land transfer) shaving hours off a 1 stop trip and avoiding Sydney or Melbourne at less than 1/2 the price
Stop referring to MCY as Brisbane North, it's not even close. It is not even vaguely similar to AVV - Melbourne western suburbs. No one is going to travel 80-90 kilometres from Brisbane's northern suburbs to MCY when BNE is around a third of that distance away.

More to the point, what do you think the MQL-BNE market is?

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Regarding Bonza's routes and frequencies, there is an almost identical number of flights to the north and to the south, that's no coincidence....
Yes, and? You seem to think that's some sort of recipe for success.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 07:01
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For a private service (ie taxi, Uber etc), how much do you think you can get from MCY to Bris CBD for?
$45 on the ConXion bus, or $125 for private xfer. And allow min of 90 mins to airport and another 15-20 to the city.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 07:31
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
$45 on the ConXion bus, or $125 for private xfer. And allow min of 90 mins to airport and another 15-20 to the city.
Faster and cheaper than via Sydney or Melbourne
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 07:51
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Isn't the whole point of this model, to fly from A to B? Not from A to B, then catching a bus to C, then another bus or train to D? I don't think they are banking on the latter to fill half the seats.

Connecting via another airport is an insurance policy as such. Say you are delayed due weather/holding/whatever, they will put on the next one. My last Virgin connection, we got stuck holding in Sydney for 45 mins, missed the connection, however put on the next one half an hour later. Now, if you are late into MCY, as many loco's are, the bus won't wait for you. Hello $200 Uber trip.

Avalon has not been a success as a secondary airport. Jetstar are pulling back the schedule, again. Thousands drive past it every day on the way to Tulla. Such a success its funded by the Andrews Government. People will continue to drive past MCY on the way to BNE.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 09:26
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Faster and cheaper than via Sydney or Melbourne
I doubt it. I once paid $125 for an Uber from MCY to only 2/3ís of the way to Brisy. So I doubt youíre going to get one to the Brisy CBD for less than $200
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 09:56
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Stop referring to MCY as Brisbane North, it's not even close. It is not even vaguely similar to AVV - Melbourne western suburbs.
It kind of is

No one is going to travel 80-90 kilometres from Brisbane's northern suburbs to MCY when BNE is around a third of that distance away.
I would, 80-90ks on a freeway as opposed to half the distance, not a third, on a tollway.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 10:16
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Originally Posted by tossbag View Post
It kind of is



I would, 80-90ks on a freeway as opposed to half the distance, not a third, on a tollway.
There is no tollway from Brisbaneís northern suburbs to Brisbane airport, tunnel excluded, but itís very easy to avoid
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 10:47
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Originally Posted by tossbag View Post
Stop referring to MCY as Brisbane North, it's not even close. It is not even vaguely similar to AVV - Melbourne western suburbs.
It kind of is
Not even vaguely "kind of". It is 112 kilometres from MCY to the Brisbane CBD, 94 kilometres to the Pine Rivers Bridge, 80 kilometres to North Lakes. MCY is not Brisbane North.

By comparison, AVV is only 54 kilometres to the centre of Melbourne, 42 kilometres to Altona and 25 kilometres to Werribee.


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No one is going to travel 80-90 kilometres from Brisbane's northern suburbs to MCY when BNE is around a third of that distance away.
I would, 80-90ks on a freeway as opposed to half the distance, not a third, on a tollway.
It's not half the distance at all, it's about a third. North Lakes is 34 kilometres to BNE, Pine Rivers Bridge is 21 kilometres and no tolls.

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Old 11th Jul 2022, 10:59
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My car gets 7km/100. So around $15 in petrol plus another $1 in costs (being generous). Compared to $5 fuel + $5 tolls on the shorter route plus 40 minutes saved. Assuming there are tolls at all.

And another thing..

Ever been in MCY during the existing peak periods? There is about 20% of the required seating and 50% of the space needed to be civilised. Adding another few 737 loads to that mix will complete its descent into hell. Luckily though, those 737s will be mostly empty.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 17:00
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Best times I can see from Mildura to Brisbane is 4 1/2 hours via Sydney or Melbourne
Best fare is $238 REX $350 QF

Are you seriously saying that via MCY would take longer 90min flight, 90min by road 3 hours
Bonza fare $100 + $150 transfer $250
Family $400 + $150 = $550 verses over $1000

Save 1 1/2 hours and a crap load of coin
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 22:16
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Well at least we know Bonza will have at least one passenger. Emergency exit for you Deano.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 23:57
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo View Post

Avalon has not been a success as a secondary airport. Jetstar are pulling back the schedule, again. Thousands drive past it every day on the way to Tulla. Such a success its funded by the Andrews Government. People will continue to drive past MCY on the way to BNE.
just a little fact check for those playing at home..

this is completely wrong, avv is slated to increase frames by the end of the year/early next year, also routes to include the reopening of ADL and other..

If you donít know, please donít spread misinformation.
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 00:25
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I think part of the problem here is that Bonza seems to be assuming there will be no competition on these routes because they are so ďthinĒ.

As soon as the Qantas group gets a sniff of any reasonable load or passengers being drawn away they will pounce on it with one of the many airline options and aircraft they now operate. An A220 would be much more viable on these routes at greater frequency, and frequency/convenience is often as much as a factor in airfares as price.

I donít think you can discount VA either, they have such a strong product at the moment, even Rex are looking for opportunities.

Another interesting year ahead in Australian aviation.
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 00:49
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The only sense I can make out of this venture is that its a completely bogus entity made to bring the Max to service in Australia. Once the type has safely proven itself it will suddenly merge into VA or QF and "suprise" we have Max 737s now and look they are safe. I mean that scenario is as viable as making money from the routes they have chosen. If a Max should have an event, well its not linked to anyone other than a new startup that now is gone.
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 01:00
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"I donít think you can discount VA either, they have such a strong product at the moment, even Rex are looking for opportunities."

Virgin??? A strong product????? Is that a joke? I'd like to say I'll never step on a VA flight again, unfortunately they've removed my choice in that as they cancel every friggen flight I book these days. Strong product?? Spare me
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 01:11
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Just echoing Trevor.

Niece and family in Darwin ex ML, return with VA roll up to return and told "flight XXD, rebooked in 6 days time OR will refund your original VA fares".
Couldn't hang around 6 days, took the refund and $6500 later ($1300 x 5) arrived in ML with QF.

It may be that all airlines are xxx flights but reckon you'd always remember it was VA that really, really f**ked you around and cost thousands of $$.

Cheers.
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 01:20
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC View Post
just a little fact check for those playing at home..

this is completely wrong, avv is slated to increase frames by the end of the year/early next year, also routes to include the reopening of ADL and other..

If you don’t know, please don’t spread misinformation.
So the flight schedule showing that currently AVV is handling just four flights a day is wrong, is it?



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Old 12th Jul 2022, 02:22
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC View Post
just a little fact check for those playing at home..

this is completely wrong, avv is slated to increase frames by the end of the year/early next year, also routes to include the reopening of ADL and other..

If you donít know, please donít spread misinformation.
Are you telling me they are going to base a second aircraft at Avalon? Are you on drugs?

I am completely right actually. They have already moved Adelaide-Avalon to the Sydney base, and Goldy now via OOL crew, only a matter of time before they pull that sole aircraft from the Farm.
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Old 12th Jul 2022, 02:47
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
The only sense I can make out of this venture is that its a completely bogus entity made to bring the Max to service in Australia. Once the type has safely proven itself it will suddenly merge into VA or QF and "suprise" we have Max 737s now and look they are safe. I mean that scenario is as viable as making money from the routes they have chosen. If a Max should have an event, well its not linked to anyone other than a new startup that now is gone.
Considering VA has already ordered the MAX and QF has a large order with Airbus your post makes little sense
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