New 'Bonza' LCC launches middle 2022 with B737 MAX
For a private service (ie taxi, Uber etc), how much do you think you can get from MCY to Bris CBD for?
Pre-pandemic, VA were losing half a million dollars a week, so probably not the pin-up girl for route selection/yield management.
Stop referring to MCY as Brisbane North, it's not even close. It is not even vaguely similar to AVV - Melbourne western suburbs. No one is going to travel 80-90 kilometres from Brisbane's northern suburbs to MCY when BNE is around a third of that distance away.
More to the point, what do you think the MQL-BNE market is?
Yes, and? You seem to think that's some sort of recipe for success.
Bonza (2 per week) is proposing 19,000 per week to MCY (Brisbane North) I stand corrected which is less than currently go to Sydney
Mildura locals are being offered a non stop route to Brisbane (with land transfer) shaving hours off a 1 stop trip and avoiding Sydney or Melbourne at less than 1/2 the price
Mildura locals are being offered a non stop route to Brisbane (with land transfer) shaving hours off a 1 stop trip and avoiding Sydney or Melbourne at less than 1/2 the price
More to the point, what do you think the MQL-BNE market is?
Yes, and? You seem to think that's some sort of recipe for success.
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For a private service (ie taxi, Uber etc), how much do you think you can get from MCY to Bris CBD for?
Isn't the whole point of this model, to fly from A to B? Not from A to B, then catching a bus to C, then another bus or train to D? I don't think they are banking on the latter to fill half the seats.
Connecting via another airport is an insurance policy as such. Say you are delayed due weather/holding/whatever, they will put on the next one. My last Virgin connection, we got stuck holding in Sydney for 45 mins, missed the connection, however put on the next one half an hour later. Now, if you are late into MCY, as many loco's are, the bus won't wait for you. Hello $200 Uber trip.
Avalon has not been a success as a secondary airport. Jetstar are pulling back the schedule, again. Thousands drive past it every day on the way to Tulla. Such a success its funded by the Andrews Government. People will continue to drive past MCY on the way to BNE.
Connecting via another airport is an insurance policy as such. Say you are delayed due weather/holding/whatever, they will put on the next one. My last Virgin connection, we got stuck holding in Sydney for 45 mins, missed the connection, however put on the next one half an hour later. Now, if you are late into MCY, as many loco's are, the bus won't wait for you. Hello $200 Uber trip.
Avalon has not been a success as a secondary airport. Jetstar are pulling back the schedule, again. Thousands drive past it every day on the way to Tulla. Such a success its funded by the Andrews Government. People will continue to drive past MCY on the way to BNE.
Stop referring to MCY as Brisbane North, it's not even close. It is not even vaguely similar to AVV - Melbourne western suburbs.
No one is going to travel 80-90 kilometres from Brisbane's northern suburbs to MCY when BNE is around a third of that distance away.
By comparison, AVV is only 54 kilometres to the centre of Melbourne, 42 kilometres to Altona and 25 kilometres to Werribee.
Quote:It's not half the distance at all, it's about a third. North Lakes is 34 kilometres to BNE, Pine Rivers Bridge is 21 kilometres and no tolls.
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My car gets 7km/100. So around $15 in petrol plus another $1 in costs (being generous). Compared to $5 fuel + $5 tolls on the shorter route plus 40 minutes saved. Assuming there are tolls at all.
And another thing..
Ever been in MCY during the existing peak periods? There is about 20% of the required seating and 50% of the space needed to be civilised. Adding another few 737 loads to that mix will complete its descent into hell. Luckily though, those 737s will be mostly empty.
And another thing..
Ever been in MCY during the existing peak periods? There is about 20% of the required seating and 50% of the space needed to be civilised. Adding another few 737 loads to that mix will complete its descent into hell. Luckily though, those 737s will be mostly empty.
Best times I can see from Mildura to Brisbane is 4 1/2 hours via Sydney or Melbourne
Best fare is $238 REX $350 QF
Are you seriously saying that via MCY would take longer 90min flight, 90min by road 3 hours
Bonza fare $100 + $150 transfer $250
Family $400 + $150 = $550 verses over $1000
Save 1 1/2 hours and a crap load of coin
Best fare is $238 REX $350 QF
Are you seriously saying that via MCY would take longer 90min flight, 90min by road 3 hours
Bonza fare $100 + $150 transfer $250
Family $400 + $150 = $550 verses over $1000
Save 1 1/2 hours and a crap load of coin
this is completely wrong, avv is slated to increase frames by the end of the year/early next year, also routes to include the reopening of ADL and other..
If you don’t know, please don’t spread misinformation.
I think part of the problem here is that Bonza seems to be assuming there will be no competition on these routes because they are so “thin”.
As soon as the Qantas group gets a sniff of any reasonable load or passengers being drawn away they will pounce on it with one of the many airline options and aircraft they now operate. An A220 would be much more viable on these routes at greater frequency, and frequency/convenience is often as much as a factor in airfares as price.
I don’t think you can discount VA either, they have such a strong product at the moment, even Rex are looking for opportunities.
Another interesting year ahead in Australian aviation.
As soon as the Qantas group gets a sniff of any reasonable load or passengers being drawn away they will pounce on it with one of the many airline options and aircraft they now operate. An A220 would be much more viable on these routes at greater frequency, and frequency/convenience is often as much as a factor in airfares as price.
I don’t think you can discount VA either, they have such a strong product at the moment, even Rex are looking for opportunities.
Another interesting year ahead in Australian aviation.
The only sense I can make out of this venture is that its a completely bogus entity made to bring the Max to service in Australia. Once the type has safely proven itself it will suddenly merge into VA or QF and "suprise" we have Max 737s now and look they are safe. I mean that scenario is as viable as making money from the routes they have chosen. If a Max should have an event, well its not linked to anyone other than a new startup that now is gone.
"I don’t think you can discount VA either, they have such a strong product at the moment, even Rex are looking for opportunities."
Virgin??? A strong product????? Is that a joke? I'd like to say I'll never step on a VA flight again, unfortunately they've removed my choice in that as they cancel every friggen flight I book these days. Strong product?? Spare me
Virgin??? A strong product????? Is that a joke? I'd like to say I'll never step on a VA flight again, unfortunately they've removed my choice in that as they cancel every friggen flight I book these days. Strong product?? Spare me
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Just echoing Trevor.
Niece and family in Darwin ex ML, return with VA roll up to return and told "flight XXD, rebooked in 6 days time OR will refund your original VA fares".
Couldn't hang around 6 days, took the refund and $6500 later ($1300 x 5) arrived in ML with QF.
It may be that all airlines are xxx flights but reckon you'd always remember it was VA that really, really f**ked you around and cost thousands of $$.
Cheers.
Niece and family in Darwin ex ML, return with VA roll up to return and told "flight XXD, rebooked in 6 days time OR will refund your original VA fares".
Couldn't hang around 6 days, took the refund and $6500 later ($1300 x 5) arrived in ML with QF.
It may be that all airlines are xxx flights but reckon you'd always remember it was VA that really, really f**ked you around and cost thousands of $$.
Cheers.
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I am completely right actually. They have already moved Adelaide-Avalon to the Sydney base, and Goldy now via OOL crew, only a matter of time before they pull that sole aircraft from the Farm.
The only sense I can make out of this venture is that its a completely bogus entity made to bring the Max to service in Australia. Once the type has safely proven itself it will suddenly merge into VA or QF and "suprise" we have Max 737s now and look they are safe. I mean that scenario is as viable as making money from the routes they have chosen. If a Max should have an event, well its not linked to anyone other than a new startup that now is gone.
