VA pilots threatened with AWARD wages
Captain BB, the AFAP published this in their communications. This is hours per 4 Week roster. Minimum hard payments of 5 hours for working a day off are gone. Min guarantee is set at 57.5 hours (actually 56.75 as there is a .75 credit for online courses) gives a new base salary of CAPT $200330 {no annual leave) $203412 (4 weeks annual leave) FO $130065 (no leave) $132066 (4 weeks leave). DDO start at 2130 prev night so hard credit from 2200. Worst case - never exceed Min credit and no leave taken 16.33% pay cut. Unlikely but there it is.



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That number is what some guys are bleating about. What they fail to recognise is that if the hours don’t support the current 69 hour EBA, company continues on with MOU. If unions deny MOU extensions, company stand people down. So either way, you’ll get paid the same amount.
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That number is what some guys are bleating about. What they fail to recognise is that if the hours don’t support the current 69 hour EBA, company continues on with MOU. If unions deny MOU extensions, company stand people down. So either way, you’ll get paid the same amount.
Do QF get 0 credit for standby if not called out? Seem to recall AFAP writing this recently.
13 DDO for less than 65 credit hours is a good thing and will make the company think about not stuffing a roster with standby.
Once again, if the work is not there, do you expect to be paid in full to a higher minimum guarantee? Yeah its a pay cut if you are restricted to 57 hours pay compared to 2019, but if that's all you are flying in 12 months time then there are bigger problems at hand.
Just had a look; QF receive no credit for standby and minimum 4 hours credit for the first day only. VA mimimum 4 hours credit for every standby day used.
13 DDO for less than 65 credit hours is a good thing and will make the company think about not stuffing a roster with standby.
Once again, if the work is not there, do you expect to be paid in full to a higher minimum guarantee? Yeah its a pay cut if you are restricted to 57 hours pay compared to 2019, but if that's all you are flying in 12 months time then there are bigger problems at hand.
Just had a look; QF receive no credit for standby and minimum 4 hours credit for the first day only. VA mimimum 4 hours credit for every standby day used.
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Short Term haircuts folks.
No company is going to go to FW after 2 rounds of negotiating lol.. the first offer will always be low, although it seems the subsequent offer made by Virgin was even worse.. Pilots needs to stand up for themselves. I agree with the OP, call their bluff, that's the only way they're going to come back with better terms.
Consider contributing some $$ into the kitty and taking all the info to a lawyer to get some impartial legal advice. It's shocking the unions are endorsing it after the second round of negotiations.. they sound like they're over it too..
Consider contributing some $$ into the kitty and taking all the info to a lawyer to get some impartial legal advice. It's shocking the unions are endorsing it after the second round of negotiations.. they sound like they're over it too..

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I do not want to see us go down this path as the alternative to this EBA are worse conditions, either through an alternative EBA (worse than this one) or the award. There is no way that we’ll be able to keep the current EBA after exiting administration and in the middle of a pandemic.
And the end of the day, vote no if it doesn't meet your lifestyle/remuneration expectations. If enough people vote no, then it will go to Fair Work. I have no doubt VA will go to Fair Work and go their hardest. Time will tell.
If it gets up, then you will have to live with it for the next 2 years and go from there. Good luck.
If it gets up, then you will have to live with it for the next 2 years and go from there. Good luck.

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It would meet the requirements for an application to be made, it's not the same as an order to terminate the EA. Also, you have to remember that there is not much difference between the Cabin Crew's EA and the award, but there is a substantial difference between the pilots' EA and the award. As someone said earlier, it's a very high bar and a difficult, time consuming and expensive exercise for Virgin. Fear mongering at its finest, I say.
I was just pointing out that Virgin sought assistance from Fair Work on the Cabin Crew EA prior to 2 rounds of negotiating being completed.
Apologies if facts aren't welcome.
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