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Old 2nd May 2021, 05:27
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
See the problem is you keep quoting these references like it legitimizes or non politicizes what she writes. I can at least see that politics can be influencing this - you and your bias can't - yet you keep posting like its fact.
Why do you keep trying to conflate questions or contradictory evidence as "anti vaxx" and shut down conversation? It's intellectually lazy and a standard identity politics crap that's prolific these days.
I'll list the roles of those quoted in the articles I used to debunk the claims posted by the Skin Doctor and the Financier, including the article you believe is "hard left politics":

an infectious disease researcher at Colorado State University
clinical research fellow in viral immunology at the University of Cambridge
professor at Emory University’s School of Medicine

Chief Medical Officer at St. Luke's Health Systems
assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pennsylvania
associate professor of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health
professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

infectious disease physician at Stanford Health Care
chair in population health and professor of epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh
researcher at Johns Hopkins University
senior scholar and senior scientist at the Center for Health Security

director of the CDC
HRSA spokesman
assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida
director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
a professor in the College of Law at the University of Utah (to debunk that Covid patents existed prior to the pandemic)


Are they being "intellectually lazy" or sprouting "hard left identity politics"?

Do you genuinely believe people can't possibly hold a position that vaccines are a valid scientific process yet have concerns about a new one?
Concerns have to be founded in reality backed up by scientific and medical consensus. Not rubbish like "mRNA vaccines are gene therapy" sprouted on this thread.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 06:31
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I have posted this link before. It is for the official UK yellow card vaccine reporting. Ie any and all adverse reactions to covid vaccines. Details for astra and Pfizer. Remember the UK has administered tens of millions of jabs.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...erse-reactions
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Old 2nd May 2021, 07:04
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Lots of reactions there that will take away your class 1 medical certificate.
And they are only the reported reactions.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 07:13
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Originally Posted by stickshaken View Post
Lots of reactions there that will take away your class 1 medical certificate.
And they are only the reported reactions.
"Lots of"??

The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event

Many suspected
ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time.


The overall reporting rate is in the order of 3 to 6 Yellow Cards per 1,000 doses administered for the Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccines.For all COVID-19 vaccines, the overwhelming majority of reports relate to injection-site reactions (sore arm for example) and generalised symptoms such as ‘flu-like’ illness, headache, chills, fatigue (tiredness), nausea (feeling sick), fever, dizziness, weakness, aching muscles, and rapid heartbeat. Generally, these happen shortly after the vaccination and are not associated with more serious or lasting illness.

No, not "lots of" reactions that will take your Class 1 Medical away.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 08:51
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You've given the cranks more ammunition by mentioning Bill Gates.
There are a horrifying number of imbeciles here who are convinced he's behind the vaccine in order to inject everybody with some sort of bio-chip in readiness for a new world order.
There are also some loonies who think the jab alters DNA, and others, I think largely among the Asian community, who think it causes sterility after 12 months.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by EvaDestruction View Post
Dr. Dre

I'm glad things are coming up roses Down Under. And I'm glad you have a nice pair of Rose Colored Glasses on to view the world around you.

In the US and the rest of the world, they've been issued under EUA because there were no human tests done on them. Rather, the human tests are being done on a massive scale, on the public. As of about 3 weeks ago here in the US, more than half the population, 175 million out of 330, have been jabbed. Because no such gene-editing drugs have ever been administered to humans before, we are in uncharted territory. We have nothing to go on.

The few animal tests done with the drugs here in the US were done only on rats, and they quickly noticed that the pregnant rats lost their pregnancies. Apparently these dangerous cocktails have a strong influence on the placenta, as the same thing has happened here in the US to pregnant women, they lost their pregnancies.

So keep those Rose Colored Glasses fixed firmly to your face, because in the next 6 months or so it's very likely the stuff will be hitting the fan.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the advantage to taking a dangerous experimental shot to supposedly protect against a virus with a 99% survival rate. It doesn't make sense to me.

To Australopithecus, I'm sorry I rained on your parade. Life can be cruel you know, and too many times the bloody truth can be painful.
I’m starting to think that maybe some gene therapy might be a good thing for people like you, to, you know, increase the IQ of the gene pool from which you came

The US is the modern day Roman Empire, teetering on the edge of self destruction because of the stupidity of some (not all, but enough) of its population, tied up with the obsession that people are trying to take their toys (guns) and make them eat their vegetables (get a vaccine).

Good luck to you all. I’ll get the jab and live happily ever after.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 10:32
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Facts:

2.2 million doses administered Australia.

Pfizer negative reactions
One case of anaphylaxis in a person with a history of anaphylaxis
One case of a blood clot in a man with a history of DVT.

AZ negative reactions
4 cases of non fatal clots, link to vaccine or underlying conditions undetermined
2 cases of fatal clots in a person with diabetes and the second case where the TGA determined no link between vaccine and clots (up to 50 people per day report to Emergency Rooms in Australia with serious blood clots)

Out of 2.2 million vaccines, the majority of which were AZ.

So no deaths due to AZ proven to been caused by the vaccine in those without underlying conditions, and in those with underlying conditions it's about 1 in a million, so less chance than the risk of dying in a car crash, drowning, falling off a ladder, being hit by lightning or being murdered.

And you're eligible for the other one anyway.
Some more data:
3000 Australians die per week.
50 Australians per day develop blood clots.

Eventually enough people will be vaccinated and fall into one of the above cohorts, and the media will sensationally report it, which will then fuel hesitancy and the anti-vaxxer rhetoric.


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Old 2nd May 2021, 10:47
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I think like most things it's much easier to think of the Covid-19 vaccination in terms of risk.

Not having the vaccination increases the community risk. For a small but not insignificant percentage of the population Covid-19 is a death sentence. It need not be.
Having the vaccination carries a very small risk that you will be crippled for life or even die. It need not be but this is because the vaccine is new and not fully tested.

Now to put this risk in perspective.

Driving a vehicle carries far more risk of permanent injury or death to yourself or someone else (community). If you walked into a car dealership and the salesperson started off telling you about all the risks involved in driving a vehicle you would probably decide the risks are just way too high and walk out.

Back to topic.

Those that got the vaccine, were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?

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Old 2nd May 2021, 10:58
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post

Back to topic.

Those that got the vaccine, were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?

yes please, back on topic.

it’d be nice to keep this thread to the intended purpose and not have it go off on the pro or anti vaccine tangents.


yes I got to pick which arm. Didn’t ask about the behind though.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 11:00
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Originally Posted by cattletruck View Post
...were you allowed to pick which arm got injected, was the derriere an option?
Yes on the choice of arms, both of mine were in the left.

I wouldn’t drop your daks without warning them first.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 11:03
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Derriere certainly wasn't offered or suggested here and I haven't heard of it as an option.

Whether it would be available on request is a different matter but as it would mean a private appointment rather than the current mass vaccination system, I would imagine it would only be if there was a genuine medical reason.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 11:32
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Originally Posted by DHfan View Post
Derriere certainly wasn't offered or suggested here and I haven't heard of it as an option.

Whether it would be available on request is a different matter but as it would mean a private appointment rather than the current mass vaccination system, I would imagine it would only be if there was a genuine medical reason.
Yup, there is a medical reason. Bum contains more fat which has a dampening effect on the immunological response.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118997/
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Old 2nd May 2021, 12:50
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When we're trying to vaccinate billions of people in as short a time as possible, that's not a reason to take at least five times as long on every jab.
If it was that important, why have I never heard of vaccinations - against anything - anywhere other than an arm?
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Old 2nd May 2021, 23:40
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Are they being "intellectually lazy" or sprouting "hard left identity politics"?
well done for completely missing my point. I didn't say all your references were hard left. I said Teoh was a dubious reference that has clear political spin and vested interests that have nothing to do with science.
Keep posting more references though

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Old 4th May 2021, 15:56
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having posted on here a couple of times about lack of reaction to the shots from everyone I know - in all fairness I have to report a lady I know locally (female early 40's) had an Astra Zeneca first shot at the weekend and spent 36 hours with a full set of 'flu symptoms - aches, headache, not eating, sleeping etc etc. Then it was like switching the light back on and she rejoined humanity within 30 minutes apparently and is totally normal.

The quack reckoned that younger folk have stronger, working anti-immune system

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Old 5th May 2021, 01:27
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How far away is the headline…..
"Vaccinated driver dies in high speed crash"……" the driver, who had been vaccinated the previous day with the Astra-Zeneca vaccine, was seen behaving erratically at the Bandywallop Hotel before he drove off, later leaving the road and colliding with a tree at high speed."
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Old 5th May 2021, 07:19
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Old 5th May 2021, 08:22
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Pfizer x 2

so far the only side effect is even more disdain for moron anti vaxxers.
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Old 5th May 2021, 10:51
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Would a glass of wine or three assist in getting through the doldrums should there be any annoying side affects? Does the immune reaction care if you're a bit tipsy or not? Is there any professional advice against going down this path whilst remaining in the safety of your own home?
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Old 5th May 2021, 13:34
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The temperance cranks said don't drink for a couple of days before and afterwards but a UK medical authority said there's no evidence alcohol lowers the vaccine's effect.

Presumably it's only been checked for in moderation, and not for a skinful...
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