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Old 19th Apr 2021, 20:47
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Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES View Post
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
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Good for you , but have you considered your plan to avoid vaccination will put others at risk? Worth a thought I’d say .
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Old 19th Apr 2021, 20:54
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Originally Posted by onedottoolow View Post
For all you clowns ranting about having the jab, did you ever consider the big picture.
I had the jab back in February and suffered quite severe side effects.
Casa has since suspended my class 1 medical.
I am now fighting with my loss of licence / income protection insurer that NOW refuses to accept any liability because the jab is still in the trial phase until the end of 2023.
Best of Luck.
Which vaccine was that? How did you end up at the front of the que? What side effects lead to loss of medical? Which LoL provider?
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 00:22
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Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES View Post
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
I guess the people who died didn't have an immune system...
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 01:14
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Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES View Post
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
Survival does not equal recovery. Some people get proper messed up by the virus and end with “long Covid”. These people survived but may not fully recover. https://inews.co.uk/news/health/long...effects-679023
As Jack D alluded to, our family will take the vaccine to protect our elderly parents. Yes, they will have the vaccine but nothing is a 100% guarantee. By inoculating ourselves we pose a much lower risk to them. Also, this is the only way out of this mess and I will play my part to get society back on track. All that you have written is self-centred and focussed only on yourself, look beyond that.

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Old 20th Apr 2021, 01:26
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Originally Posted by Check Airman View Post
I guess the people who died didn't have an immune system...
pretty much. Not all immune systems are equal these days.

https://www.worldobesityday.org/asse...2021-Atlas.pdf

Death rates were 10x higher in countries where more than 50% of the population is overweight
The U.K. has the third-highest death rate in the world (184 deaths per 100,000 population) and the fourth-highest obesity rate with 63.7% of adults classifying as overweight, closely followed by the U.S., which has 152.49 deaths per 100,000 and 67.9% of the population living with obesity.

Vietnam, on the other hand, has the lowest Covid-19 death rate in the world (0.04 deaths per 100,000), and also reports the second-lowest rate of obesity (18.3% of adults).
The report highlights that there is “not a single example internationally” of a country with low levels of obesity—classified as less than 40% of the population overweight—and high death rates.

It's almost like you might be able to conclude if you aren't a fat bastard, or have severe underlying health issues, covid might be a non event for you.


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Old 20th Apr 2021, 02:28
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Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES View Post
Thanks anyway, but I’ll go by trusting my MK1 immune system over this injection, I was offered it but declined it, this virus has over a 99.5 % survival rate, take it or leave it.
Fair enough, but the person you give it to may be in the 0.5% .

Vaccination is a social contract in my view - you’re doing it to look after others as well as yourself.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 03:26
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Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 07:31
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Thanks for this thread - interesting.

If it's not already written up I have a solution for the sore arm after (any) injection. I've extensively tested my method since I was a child and it works. After the needle, simply move your arm as if you were doing bicep curls for 30 minutes. You may get away with less, but I started at 75 minutes and worked down. The last tetanus shot I had I skimped a bit (due age ) but still had no pain at all - from the needle. The saw blade wound hurt for weeks though
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 09:32
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Clear_sky View Post
Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
True, to a certain extent, but the risk of being infected with transmissible disease is very low after vaccination, much lower than in unvaccinated groups.

In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these diseases although not exactly the same do offer some comparative data.

The obesity argument does seem to have some merit however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Clear_sky View Post
Nope. Your just looking after yourself! All vaccines state you can still catch and transmit the virus however your risk of severe symptoms are lower.
True, to a certain extent, but the risk of being infected with transmissible disease is very low after vaccination, much lower than in unvaccinated groups.

In other words, vaccination protects the recipient from severe illness and also protects others as contagion is greatly reduced among vaccinated populations , see measles , polio etc. these viral diseases although not exactly the same, do offer some comparative data.

The obesity argument does seem to have some merit, however reporting from countries like Vietnam is sketchy at best. ( no offense intended) one would have to look at far more data to draw firm conclusions, but there does seem to be a link between being overweight or obese and death rates.

Most people over 50 in the Western world are overweight in the medical sense, not necessarily very fat .
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:09
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After both shots felt a bit dizzy (Pfizer).
After second shot was a bit nauseous for a day and felt strange for another day, that was it.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:12
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I've had double vaccinations. The Russian vaccine is perhaps one of the most underrated vaccine as it is two in one, an RNA and Vector
so both do the same job differently. What one misses the other hopefully covers.
You can achieve the same by say
getting your two shots of Phizer,
waiting a few months then gett AstraZenica

Then six months later, get what ever vaccine that is made for the new varients.

From the people I've spoken to and my own experience, the first shot rarely has a reaction,
its the 2nd shot that gives you body a wake up call to fight covid.

A good reaction to the 2nd shot is a good thing.

With the Astra Zenica, I got 36 hours of aches and pains, no temperature increase like the 2nd shot of Phizer.

Where I am, no one wears a mask and it has a much lower rate of new cases than most other places with requirements etc.
Land of the free and brave as they say.

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Old 20th Apr 2021, 15:21
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OAZ: no reaction at all.
Pfizer on my wife: first jab: swelling, soreness & reddening at the jab site that lasted a few days; second jab, no issues whatsoever.

My elder brother is a retired dentist and a volunteer vaccinator. He’s jabbed thousands of people. He tells me that the official line, borne out by discussions with those having a second jab, is that side effects of both vaccines have been significantly less than expected. He had joint pains for a few weeks, which is apparently very common.

My brother is also pretty sceptical of a problem with blood clots. The data he has access to indicates that overall they are no more common than would be expected from a population of the ages vaccinated and, if anything, are actually lower. Apparently, 20% of hospital Covid patients have blood clots so an issue is hardly surprising. He thinks the odds of blood clots after a vaccine are much lower than with Covid without vaccination even for the very young.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 19:31
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1st AZ a few days ago. Zero side effects
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 23:28
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Originally Posted by 70 Mustang View Post
But after my second Pfizer shot, I have been having chest palpitations and periods of irregular heartbeat.
with the covid backlog, getting any clear diagnosis will take quite a while.
I called and described my symptoms and a visit was scheduled.
I went in for the visit and that doctor, quite young, did say that a wrist check of my heart beat was indeed a bit irregular. Blood pressure was all she checked and it was fine. She said she’d schedule an ecg and a blood test.
I went in for an ecg a week later and the f..er was on time and normal. I asked if they wanted me to do some exercise for a stress test and they said, no, they are limited to a 30 minute slot and much of it was used up with questions before getting wired up.
they keep asking if I am experiencing any chest pain. I have to say, no, but some very strange pounding which might be described as palpitations, but no pain.
I went in for the blood test and later that week, a different doctor said everything looked fine other than my cholesterol was a tad high. She said she’d arrange a consultation​​​​​.
I called back the same day, with a question that had arisen after my talking to her and thinking about what she had said.
another doctor called back later that evening saying things were not good with the blood test and that she is prescribing statins immediately. A bit concerned by the different interpretations of the same data.
phone consultation now scheduled for may 22.
I have asked each time for a 24 hour heart monitor but they keep saying, not yet. But if you feel any pain in your chest, call 111! Have a nice day!
frustrating that with each call and visit, it is a complete stranger.
no longer flying, difficult to afford a full private cardiac consultant.
again, no guarantee that this is related to the vaccine shots, but I have never had any cardio issue until after the second shot.
and not enough information yet, to rule out the only significant change that might be the major factor.
have been advised to say that there is “pain”
Jury still out on doing that just to get a bit more priority.
Very interesting...

I had my Class 1 medical 5 days after my first Pfizer shot. First ECG trace was garbage because the nurse messed up the leads , so I went in for a second and was rapidly wired up. Second ECG trace showed an inverted T-wave on the V3 line. Doc wants an ECG stress test to check it out, which I have to do anyway because of my age, but it certainly got my attention. ECG taken 5 months ago for secondary employment was fine.

Correlation is not causation, and I suspect it was a misaligned electrode, but I’ll know more next week.

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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:23
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Without wanting to sound like a Wally this could be a bit of a reminder that just cause we think we are healthy...

I had a few minor side effects from the AZ, however I’d rather be vaccinated than not. I have health checks above the yearly medical and am in the extremely fit category.

Other people suffering side effects or finding other issues, this could very well just be the conduit that makes you find that ‘hidden’ issue you may have.

Yes a little segue.

Stay healthy and let’s hope the jab roll out ramps up fast and the world opens.
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 13:34
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Originally Posted by spoiler77 View Post
Regarding those cardio issues, more and more is being said out there regarding a possible link between the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine and some reported cases of myocarditis. A quick search on the Internet will reveal the concerns.

To all of you, please remember that all those Covid-19 vaccines have only been granted an emergency use authorization and that clinical trials are still ongoing. A lot of data are still missing and many questions remain unanswered to date.
For those at risk of developing a severe form of Covid-19, early vaccination does make sense. For those who recovered or are not at risk, I would simply say: experimental vaccination really merits special caution!

What I find the most concerning is that in all pilots that got vaccinated I talked to, none of them told me they wanted to protect themselves against Covid-19, all of them just wanted to be able to travel and/or are hoping to regain more freedom.

At the end, everyone is free to make his own risks/benefits balance.
What emotional drivel. I live in a country that is vacinating big time. It's using the usual western big pharma vaccines as well as Sinopharm. So all of my work mates and their wives have been jabbed. No adverse events. No unexpected 5G network connection.

The ongoing trial work you speak of, is testing for antibodies to check if and when a booster is needed. Safety has already been approved.

The adverse events that do happen, are rare. So much so that each individual event is reported in the news. So with that in mind, there have been more lotto winners than adverse eventers. I would feel ripped off.

It is a personal choice to get vaxcinated or not. But I do hope the many (those jabbed) aren't disadvantaged by the few (those not jabbed).
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Old 26th Apr 2021, 21:27
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One AZ shot so far. No reaction.
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Old 27th Apr 2021, 01:40
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First AZ dose in late March, sore arm for 24 hours then back to normal. No big deal. My wife had it a week later (we're both late 40s - was before the <50 recommendation) and she was knocked flat for 2 days. Slept all day, sore muscles, chills. Took a full 3 days for her to be properly back to normal. 19 year old son had it and just had the sore arm for a day.
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