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Covid Shot - Side Effects?

Old 17th Jun 2021, 03:34
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Any website purporting to present scientific fact, that has their header containing a bible (or any other religionís) verse is an instant pass, and I hope thatís the same for all other rational thinking people.

To then scroll down and see a non-pisstake article on Chemtrails is the nail in the coffin.

Again, if you are a commercial pilot, needing to make fact based decisions to keep punters alive, I do worry.
Here's some cosmic religion for you:

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Old 17th Jun 2021, 05:04
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Which leaves people 50 - 60 who have had their first shot where exactly?

It is important you get the same type of COVID-19 vaccine. This is because the evidence from clinical trials shows this is effective and is what is approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 05:07
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Which leaves people 50 - 60 who have had their first shot where exactly?
to have their second shot of AstraÖ

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.

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Old 17th Jun 2021, 05:14
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to have their second shot of Astra…

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.
Please don't jump to conclusions.
Remember that the latest edict infers that A-Z is no longer considered safe for under 60's.

Or is that just SOME under 60's.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 05:32
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Please don't jump to conclusions.
Remember that the latest edict infers that A-Z is no longer considered safe for under 60's.

Or is that just SOME under 60's.

not jumping to conclusions. They are saying take the second shot if you have had the first if aged between 50 and 60.

“People aged under 60 who have also had the first jab without any issue, are advised to get their second dose despite the new health advice, as the risk of complications falls drastically.”

https://www.9news.com.au/national/au...5-59233d07c9ec
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 05:43
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
not jumping to conclusions. They are saying take the second shot if you have had the first if aged between 50 and 60.

ďPeople aged under 60 who have also had the first jab without any issue, are advised to get their second dose despite the new health advice, as the risk of complications falls drastically.Ē

https://www.9news.com.au/national/au...5-59233d07c9ec
OK. Thanks.
That was not stated explicitly in the bulletin that I saw earlier.

But I also concur......it's a bl..dy shambles.
There is nothing wrong with adjusting policies as events unfold and experience is gained.
But I do not believe anyone should be making proclamations based on "medical advice" when it is seems very likely the decisions are actually being based on expediency.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 06:43
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
to have their second shot of Astra…

I have to say the whole AstraZeneca thing has been and continues to be an utter farce. Every country seems to have its own age cutoff, I understand everyone over 18 is having it in Germany.
If there was widespread community transmission in Australia everyone would be having it here too. This is simply a by-product of the fact there is no significant community transmission in Australia, therefore the risk of complications from AZ currently exceeds the risk from COVID.

Two deaths from some 3.6 million doses administered, while tragic for those concerned, is inconsequential from a public health perspective, particularly when compared to the risk from a significant COVID outbreak. ATAGI has basically looked at the numbers and said, as things CURRENTLY stand in Australia, the risk of complications from AZ for those under-60 exceeds the risk of catching novel coronavirus and subsequently suffering severe health consequences.

If there was a large scale outbreak in Australia, similar to those overseas, the public health advice would change again in line with the risk of morbidity from COVID and once people understood the relative risk they'd be lined up for whatever they could get.


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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:00
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Those two people didnít die FROM the vaccine anyway..they died WITH the vaccine
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 08:50
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It seems the European declarations regarding the dangers of the AZ vaccine were started by Macron in France who apparently has been reading up on viruses and vaccines and now considers himself a world-leading expert.
As far as I know he's got no scientific background or training but Merkel immediately agreed with him and I believe she is a qualified scientist of some sort.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 09:23
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Those two people didn’t die FROM the vaccine anyway..they died WITH the vaccine
REALLY...and your source for that is?

Sounds like the "reports that those that died didn't die from Covid, but died with it.

Throw a lines don't cut it IMHO (for either arguement).



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Old 17th Jun 2021, 10:10
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Missed with both the sarcasm and the irony..never mind..Iíll keep trying
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 10:14
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mattyj

you got me.....your sarcasm and irony noted, and done well!,
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 10:53
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This says it all!.....lab rats!
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 11:02
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post

This says it all!.....lab rats!
Fully agree - if you end up with full blown covid after we open up again post vaccine rollout, you are literally a lab rat, with absolutely no guarantees of what will happen to you next
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 21:46
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I believe the stats show that its mostly females getting the AZ associated clots so why not offer Pfizer to Females and let us blokes keep going with the cheap but less effective one? As mentioned earlier I (male) had no effect after my AZ but my wife had to take 2 days off work and took a week to fully recover after her AZ. We had the shots the same time.
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Old 18th Jun 2021, 01:37
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Day 3 no worries for me but partner down for the count, coming good after 24 hours
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Old 18th Jun 2021, 03:34
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Why would those who claim to have made a personal choice not to take the vaccine, come and post on a thread that clearly is intended for those who've had the jab to share side effect info?
cos antivaxers are like vegans
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 03:26
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Originally Posted by DHfan View Post
It seems the European declarations regarding the dangers of the AZ vaccine were started by Macron in France who apparently has been reading up on viruses and vaccines and now considers himself a world-leading expert.
As far as I know he's got no scientific background or training but Merkel immediately agreed with him and I believe she is a qualified scientist of some sort.

awful lot of politics involved with Europe’s response. Macron was also hoping the French Pasteur Institute vaccine would be viable. It turned out to be a dud. His attitude towards other vaccines, particularly AstraZeneca changed. Vaccine rollouts in parts of the EU, Germany notably, was also a shambles. Having a nice big distraction in the form of AstraZeneca was very welcome. Remember the seizure of AstraZeneca destined for the UK, then it became the blood clotting vaccine then they wanted it again… The EU response has been disgraceful. Oh and the EU, run by Germany telling all EU countries they had to order vaccines through the EU only, then they (Germany) order millions of doses on the side outside the EU ordering process. And so on and so on…

there is another French vaccine that is undergoing clinical trials now and is meant to be variant proof. So maybe if that looks like succeeding we will see Macron ramping up anti AstraZeneca rhetoric again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/french-self-esteem-hit-after-pasteur-institute-abandons-covid-vaccine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-07/valneva-covid-vaccine-french-shot-supposedly-variant-proof/100124708


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Old 22nd Jun 2021, 22:10
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Interesting developments in Israel over the last week with ramifications plaguing our way forward. Israel is well worth following as it doesn't make the news down this way and they look at least six months ahead of us.

55% of their population vaccinated and the latest Delta outbreaks being spread by children at schools. Vaccinated adults are testing positive. First indications are vaccinations are still highly effective in combating the outbreak and reducing the seriousness of COVID. What worries me is if the data not captured nor presented properly, fuelling media and elements of the population to carry on with their vibe, putting in jeopardy vaccination efforts.

If one of these COVID variants starts afflicting children, with long term health damage or fatalities, attitudes to vaccinations would change. The panic entirely predictable.

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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 01:39
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The moderators are deleting posts on this thread that donít meet some sort of parameter which is an issue with chat rooms and blog sites the world over..information is being funnelled to the genpop along a set of murky criteria which havenít allowed and wonít allow a real discussion on the merits of these vaccines or even what this virus really is and whether the dirty spectre of money and power is involved. I doubt the data from Israel and their vaccination status and itís failures will ever get to the average man on the street here
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