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Old 25th Jul 2022, 03:03
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Originally Posted by hoss58
Hi Deano.

Actually my math is pretty good however i need to make my self read things properly.

So point taken re the third flight being a SAAB.

But I still stand by my comment and that is when an airline like REX operate relatively few flights per day it only takes a couple of low loads to bring down
the averages for the rest of the fights to below break even and you can't make money like that. It appears their loads over the holiday period have been ok
however Poppajo's data seem to show that overall the loads aren't great.

Fly safe and play hard.

Cheers Hoss
What data from Poppajo ?
Seems he has only posted a few estimates but no actual numbers....
Estimating heads on or off a random flight here and there is not data

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Old 25th Jul 2022, 03:20
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The software that I and it seems the media also use in that article, are exact. Sure I do park alongside them at times and we play count the passengers. Not exact as you say, give for take 5 bodies perhaps.

The data doesn't lie. The numbers March to June, May especially was beyond a disaster, the media in the above article already skimmed the numbers. Bit hard to judge at the moment they are not exactly flying a heavy schedule.

The flights are full at the moment. Now they need to try and convert that to a 10-12 aircraft operation. And go on from there. They will never get to 30, Tiger started to implode on many fronts at about 18 and then went backwards. Rex will face the same operational headwinds as the operation is capital city based.

The threat for Rex, is if Bonza pulls out Plan B when the Plan A fantasy falls apart, which would be operate what Tiger did. Bonza and Rex overlapping would spell the end for RexJet.
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 07:10
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
The software that I and it seems the media also use in that article, are exact. Sure I do park alongside them at times and we play count the passengers. Not exact as you say, give for take 5 bodies perhaps.

The data doesn't lie. The numbers March to June, May especially was beyond a disaster, the media in the above article already skimmed the numbers. Bit hard to judge at the moment they are not exactly flying a heavy schedule.

The flights are full at the moment. Now they need to try and convert that to a 10-12 aircraft operation. And go on from there. They will never get to 30, Tiger started to implode on many fronts at about 18 and then went backwards. Rex will face the same operational headwinds as the operation is capital city based.

The threat for Rex, is if Bonza pulls out Plan B when the Plan A fantasy falls apart, which would be operate what Tiger did. Bonza and Rex overlapping would spell the end for RexJet.
Tiger went backward when Virgin saddled them with a two-type fleet and horrendous expenses converting to 737s that then didn't materialise. I don't think over capacity was a problem.
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 07:48
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
The software that I and it seems the media also use in that article, are exact. Sure I do park alongside them at times and we play count the passengers. Not exact as you say, give for take 5 bodies perhaps.

The data doesn't lie. The numbers March to June, May especially was beyond a disaster, the media in the above article already skimmed the numbers. Bit hard to judge at the moment they are not exactly flying a heavy schedule.

The flights are full at the moment. Now they need to try and convert that to a 10-12 aircraft operation. And go on from there. They will never get to 30, Tiger started to implode on many fronts at about 18 and then went backwards. Rex will face the same operational headwinds as the operation is capital city based.

The threat for Rex, is if Bonza pulls out Plan B when the Plan A fantasy falls apart, which would be operate what Tiger did. Bonza and Rex overlapping would spell the end for RexJet.
Jo, if you have data, why not post it....
Most on here lay the boot into REX and I have a suspicion that many are looking at a few quiet flights and hitting the multiplier button for their full schedule

Pax are having good to great experiences on REX
On time is the highest of all airlines, by a long way
They are still adding the odd SAAB to their fleet
They have taken over Cobham
They are adapting to the war with QF by getting out of low earning regional destinations and replacing them with the likes of Port Maq, Coffs and Devonport and getting good loads
They are gradually increasing bums on seats with their jets
Wouldn't worry about Bonza hurting REX as they will look at places like Avalon and SWA and likely cram 189 into their MAX's for $60-$80 legs +++++
They only lack FFPs and decent lounges
FFPs could be a quick fix with 7-11 and IGA


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Old 25th Jul 2022, 08:17
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Originally Posted by Deano969

Pax are having good to great experiences on REX
On time is the highest of all airlines, by a long way
You can not compare their 73 OTP to QF, JQ and VA. Managing 4 flights a day to 4 ports is a piece of pi$$, he’ll I could manage it from an iPhone.
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 08:31
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They have taken over Cobham
Wow that is a big call. I think you mean they bought FROM Cobham ONE of their business units called NJE.

https://www.cobham.com.au/

They are gradually increasing bums on seats with their jets
Ummmm, Tiger Australia were doing that also.

They only lack FFPs and decent lounges
What about checked bagged through to a destination? Multiple flights a day to effect a service recovery?
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 11:13
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Loving the pedanticism.

I think the point is clear, REX are not in the toilet.

Whilst not a fan of their antics or Chairman, it would seem they are hanging in there and responding as needed. Despite the wishes of some, it would seem they are not going anywhere, at least for now.

Of more interest to me is where we are going to end up:

QF buys Alliance, completes Mainline, Regional and Charter piece.
REX now Mainline, Regional and Charter.
VA, Mainline and Charter only.

Given VA have some 33% of the market, there is a question here on their regional strategy?

Partner with REX?
Greenfields?
Partner with smaller players (Skytrans, Airline, AirNorth etc.)
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 11:41
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It is what it is. I've travelled with them and it was one of the better travel experiences. Their management are complete wankas, but hang on, qantas management are bigger wankas and virgin management are psychopaths. So what are you gunna do?
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 17:17
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Originally Posted by SHVC
You can not compare their 73 OTP to QF, JQ and VA. Managing 4 flights a day to 4 ports is a piece of pi$$, he’ll I could manage it from an iPhone.
Numbers were across the the whole REX group, a tad more than 4 flights a day

Of the regional airlines, Rex recorded 80% for on time arrivals, followed by QantasLink at 59.6% and Virgin Australia Regional Airlines at 51.3%.
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Old 25th Jul 2022, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Deano969
Numbers were across the the whole REX group, a tad more than 4 flights a day

Of the regional airlines, Rex recorded 80% for on time arrivals, followed by QantasLink at 59.6% and Virgin Australia Regional Airlines at 51.3%.
like I wrote, OTP for the 737 op as mentioned earlier.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 02:27
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I actually pity someone like P Joe who's hobby or interest in life is gathering data, or counting passengers, on opposition airlines. Geez mate, go to work, fly your tub then go home. Let Rex worry about their loads. Not sure why you gather joy out of your weird hobby.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 03:03
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Wow that is a big call. I think you mean they bought FROM Cobham ONE of their business units called NJE.
To be fair, it was headlined a lot as Rex buys Cobham.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 03:07
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Originally Posted by Trevor the lover
I actually pity someone like P Joe who's hobby or interest in life is gathering data, or counting passengers, on opposition airlines. Geez mate, go to work, fly your tub then go home. Let Rex worry about their loads. Not sure why you gather joy out of your weird hobby.
If it is his hobby, then so be it. Nothing wrong with that. As pilots we are far to quick to judge others in this profession. No wonder we are divided and easy to manipulate with management.

I have a mate, 737 Captain, that comes home from work and then jumps on Microsoft Flight Simulator and does more flying. Not my cup of tea, but he enjoys it and that is all that matters. How people spend their free time should not be anyone else's business and certainly not worthy of your comment.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 06:31
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I reckon I spend 2 mins a month checking Rex loads via an App available in the industry. And because people ask on here, but mainly to put to bed claims from John Sharp that everything is rainbows and lollipops over in Rex 737 land. He throws mud at us and tells us how good it is over there, I wasted 60 seconds of my time fact checking these claims.

Have you not played count the Rex 737 pax whilst parked next to them? I have scored a few free coffees from my FO with this gem. Closest to number wins and the loser shouts a free coffee. Generally aim below 10 and more than 0, possibly including zero.



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Old 26th Jul 2022, 07:49
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So long as they are getting better loads that Q Link has been on Melbourne to Mount Gambia and Wagga
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 07:56
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
I reckon I spend 2 mins a month checking Rex loads via an App available in the industry. And because people ask on here, but mainly to put to bed claims from John Sharp that everything is rainbows and lollipops over in Rex 737 land. He throws mud at us and tells us how good it is over there, I wasted 60 seconds of my time fact checking these claims.

Have you not played count the Rex 737 pax whilst parked next to them? I have scored a few free coffees from my FO with this gem. Closest to number wins and the loser shouts a free coffee. Generally aim below 10 and more than 0, possibly including zero.
cheap bast*&d…poor FO’s have been stood down for 2 years and you’re skimming coffees.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 09:09
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Haha. My FO guessed 10..I being a tad more realistic guessed 5. It was actually 3 so I won. Gotta aim low folks. I guess if you include crew he won.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 09:40
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So long as they are getting better loads that Q Link has been on Melbourne to Mount Gambia and Wagga
They don’t have to worry about those loads anymore, they’re pulling out of both 1st August.
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Given VA have some 33% of the market, there is a question here on their regional strategy?

Partner with REX?
Greenfields?
Partner with smaller players (Skytrans, Airline, AirNorth etc.)
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I think VA's regional strategy is no regional strategy. Apart from FIFO which is a very Australian opportunity, VA is operating very much from the disciplined Southwest playbook with a single fleet operating trunk routes.

FFPs could be a quick fix with 7-11 and IGA
You do realise 7-11 is already in a well publicised alliance with Virgin??
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:56
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please
I think VA's regional strategy is no regional strategy. Apart from FIFO which is a very Australian opportunity, VA is operating very much from the disciplined Southwest playbook with a single fleet operating trunk routes.
Regional seems to be an add-on (an afterthought) for VA 2.0. Apart from Link (regional NSW) and AirNorth (regional Qld) operating some regional routes for VA 2.0, most of the regional work is on VA mainline's 738s.

There are also some residue Alliance contract work leftover such as BNE-GLT, BNE-Moranbah, BNE-NTL and BNE-ROK. It'll be interesting to see what VA will replace those with, should the ACCC clear the QF takeover of Alliance.

VARA's A320s also does some intra-WA RPT work, as well as some PER-ADL and PER-DRW rotations

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