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As I said yesterday 10 cases might as well be 1000 when it comes to the knock on effects in aviation
Another 18 today for Vic.
Sounds like a pretty pathetic government. You could probably apply the things you said about states being irrelevant in a time of mass air travel, digital communication and globalisation to the nation state as well.
I keep hearing thats it’s time for Australia to become one, to act as one instead of 8 divided entities. If that’s the case then the one who should be putting in place that idea of Australia acting as one is the leader of Australia. Where is he? It’s well past time he stepped up and applied some real leadership skills. But as the bushfires showed he’s got no idea how to lead in a crisis and just delegates responsibility to others. Scotty from Marketing for real. It’s like every lesson of airline command training is being thrown out the window.
C’mon, act as a leader, take responsibility for international quarantine and get this vaccine here ASAP!
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Well, I guess that's one delegation he could take back. Shouldn't take long to establish all the networks & responsible people to enact this after they take it back from the States.
From The Age:
Morrison rejects 'very dangerous' rush to approve vaccine
By Nick Bonyhady
The Prime Minister and Chief Medical Officer have rejected calls to rush through approvals for a coronavirus vaccine.Scott Morrison and Professor Paul Kelly said at a press conference on New Year’s Day that the situation in Australia was different to overseas because there were far fewer cases of coronavirus here, giving the Therapeutic Goods Administration time to assess each vaccine thoroughly for safety and effectiveness.
"With a vaccine you don't rush to failure, that would be very dangerous to Australians,” Mr Morrison said.
Those who suggested otherwise, the Prime Minister said, were "naive".
While the country waits for a vaccine, Professor Kelly said the government had pushed Victoria to step up its coronavirus testing in conversations between health ministers and medical officers.
Countries such as the US and UK that have started vaccinating people have done so with emergency approval of the vaccine, not full approval as with other vaccines.”
I cannot believe this. The normal full licence process takes years. The emergency use authorisations issued by every other western nation of note uses the same strict oversight guidelines and processes, just with the data available today. If we wait until the data set is large enough to give comfort to some bureaucrats then we really won't have an industry left. Morrison is a smirking lightweight who only recognises leadership so that he can stab it in the back.
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[h2][size=13px]I cannot believe this. The normal full licence process takes years. The emergency use authorisations issued by every other western nation of note uses the same strict oversight guidelines and processes, just with the data available today. If we wait until the data set is large enough to give comfort to some bureaucrats then we really won't have an industry left. Morrison is a smirking lightweight who only recognises leadership so that he can stab it in the back.
So the question then asked is, if the Federal government are ending jobkeeper in March but aren't going to have enough herd immunity to allow an easing of restrictions until October, what happens in the intervening 7 months? Does it make Australians desperate and angry only to have it resolved and the Federal government's pandemic response declared a success immediately before the next Federal Election, which can be called at any time from August 2021 to September 2022?
Labor calls for Australia's Covid vaccine rollout to be accelerated
Ah, but we from the Land Down Under always know more than everyone else. Proof of this can be found in our aviation legislation, which far exceeds world's best practice.
So far Australia has fared very well, thanks mainly to being an island and having a relatively compliant population. But if we are last in the world to come out of restrictions we will pay a terrible economic price.
For once I am firmly on the side of the Opposition - let's bloody DO IT and get the jabs asap.
So far Australia has fared very well, thanks mainly to being an island and having a relatively compliant population. But if we are last in the world to come out of restrictions we will pay a terrible economic price.
For once I am firmly on the side of the Opposition - let's bloody DO IT and get the jabs asap.
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There is a lot of money to be made with this vaccine and there are certainly many big stakes at risk. Maybe some research into which countries have to most to gain, and have controlling interests in these drug companies may raise several eyebrows.
For flight crew, you’d be an absolute fool to prematurely take an unknown substance such as this vaccine without considering what effect that could have on your medical down the track, or worse if an adverse reaction occurs on the flight deck with several hundred or so passengers sitting behind you.
I wonder what casa thinks of this, and what effect this has on your loss of license / life insurance policies.
Time will tell.
Do some non-social media research on vaccine side effects and the timelines thereof. Let’s assume that its a binary choice: taking the vaccine before a medical renewal or getting covid-19. Which do you think would be worse by a factor of a million? That’s right. The covid-19 disease.
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
Do some non-social media research on vaccine side effects and the timelines thereof. Let’s assume that its a binary choice: taking the vaccine before a medical renewal or getting covid-19. Which do you think would be worse by a factor of a million? That’s right. The covid-19 disease.
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
Fast forward ten or so years:
Ad appears - "If you had a CV19 vaccination in 2021 please contact Smith, Smith and Smith Attorneys at Law and join the millions in our Class Action!"
Ad appears - "If you had a CV19 vaccination in 2021 please contact Smith, Smith and Smith Attorneys at Law and join the millions in our Class Action!"
And if you didn’t, and now have permanent organ damage, do you get to sue some w@nker on social media? How about if you’re dead? Or how about if someone else is living in your fine house because you took a permanent 60% pay cut when your airline folded? FFS.
For flight crew, you’d be an absolute fool to prematurely take an unknown substance such as this vaccine without considering what effect that could have on your medical down the track, or worse if an adverse reaction occurs on the flight deck with several hundred or so passengers sitting behind you.
I wonder what casa thinks of this, and what effect this has on your loss of license / life insurance policies.
Time will tell.
I wonder what casa thinks of this, and what effect this has on your loss of license / life insurance policies.
Time will tell.
Do some non-social media research on vaccine side effects and the timelines thereof. Let’s assume that its a binary choice: taking the vaccine before a medical renewal or getting covid-19. Which do you think would be worse by a factor of a million? That’s right. The covid-19 disease.
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
Some airlines provide critical thinking skills development courses. Just saying...
So the question then asked is, if the Federal government are ending jobkeeper in March but aren't going to have enough herd immunity to allow an easing of restrictions until October, what happens in the intervening 7 months?
Does it make Australians desperate and angry only to have it resolved and the Federal government's pandemic response declared a success immediately before the next Federal Election, which can be called at any time from August 2021 to September 2022?
That's why I wouldn't go anywhere near it until AVMED and CASA approves it for flight crew. I believe the FAA have already in the US. Hopefully puts some responsibility back on the regulator. I won't be holding my breath though.
That non social media research as you put it probably would mean you are aware that many people that contract it may not even have symptoms. Then develop their own immunity to it, no difference to the result of a vaccine. But that's worse by a factor of a million is it?
That non social media research as you put it probably would mean you are aware that many people that contract it may not even have symptoms. Then develop their own immunity to it, no difference to the result of a vaccine. But that's worse by a factor of a million is it?
Aviation is never coming back without a wide scale vaccination programme, and I would not be surprised to see them made mandatory by employers, governments and health care providers. .
Why no it isn’t in fact. I was taking poetic licence. In actual fact Covid-19 is much worse than that. I will save you the time: if infected, with any of the current known mutations you have an approximately 2% chance of dying, and an approximately 20% chance of having a lengthy long-covid illness or permanent disability.
you'll need to provide some citations there if you want to state it as fact- otherwise i'll just dismiss it as the very "social media research" BS that you were on about in your original post, and typical hyperbole with this subject. As far as I am aware there is precisely zero peer reviewed studies or widespread research being conducted on "lengthy long-covid illness or permanent disability", because there is nothing new or unique about it. It has no greater risk factor of lasting ongoing symptoms that differs at all to previous SARS Coronavirus or Influenza.
There are numerous peer reviewed studies completed or being done into the long-term health effects of coronavirus due to the numbers of people experiencing long term symptoms or organ damage. You can read about one study that was done at St Vincents Hospital (Sydney) here: Australian study finds COVID-19 'long haulers' suffer symptoms months after coronavirus infection or one that was done in the UK here: Southmead Hospital publishes pioneering research on long term effects of coronavirus. There are many others out there, I don't want to spam you or the message board with links, but there is a lot of research being done in hospitals in many different countries all over the world including Australia and the USA on this exact topic, these results can be found relatively easily via Google taking you to their publishers or research organisations.