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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 12:15
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SHVC, no I’m just saying the facts, I’m not a LABOR supporter (note the spelling) , a brand new independent would be quite frankly superior to Scomo atm, he has lost the F ing plot. I support diluting these fat arsed major parties and making them work for their money, this bull crap about stability has been spruiked since the 60’s, Bring it! Boomers will now sledge me, but hey prepare for death losers, your time is about to end! Lol!
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 15:08
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Western Australia is now closed off to the rest of the country, It is not up to the PM. Its up to the Premiers.
Not until Boxing Day.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 21:45
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WOW! Such strong comments! You forget Labour pollies are just as bad. Covid aside, you are totally blind to the each way betting idiot Albo on all fronts. He stands for nothing like the rest of those labour fools.
So why is the LNP better? What policies make them stand out?
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 23:35
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LNP handling of the pandemic is one. if Labor was in, no way they would of had the balance sheet like LNP had to support JK, JS and business support. Lower taxes, balls to have stronger national security the list goes on.

A vote for labor in my opinion is a vote for the Greens and all the independents, imagine that JL bogan in the upper house she is terrible. One of the policy of Labor is this net zero rubbish. Albos plan of reducing emmisions by 43% by 2030 which will be 7.5yrs away by the time election is done and he has moved in without a sustainable plan to get there. If Labor gets in they will bow down to Xi, with sorry speeches and hugs. At least PD and SM have the balls to make Australia number 1. Many more of their policy’s are rubbish.

The current PM is not that bad, we know what he stands for at least and he is a heck of a lot better than each way albo. Recent announcements SM has made in Labor strong holds in QLDare very good ideas although the truck apprentiship should of been thought of 10+ yrs ago with expat drivers.
I would hope PD takes the reins one day he will make a fine PM.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 00:06
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LNP handling of the pandemic is one. if Labor was in, no way they would of had the balance sheet like LNP had to support JK, JS and business support. Lower taxes, balls to have stronger national security the list goes on.

A vote for labor in my opinion is a vote for the Greens and all the independents, imagine that JL bogan in the upper house she is terrible. One of the policy of Labor is this net zero rubbish. Albos plan of reducing emmisions by 43% by 2030 which will be 7.5yrs away by the time election is done and he has moved in without a sustainable plan to get there. If Labor gets in they will bow down to Xi, with sorry speeches and hugs. At least PD and SM have the balls to make Australia number 1. Many more of their policy’s are rubbish.

The current PM is not that bad, we know what he stands for at least and he is a heck of a lot better than each way albo. Recent announcements SM has made in Labor strong holds in QLDare very good ideas although the truck apprentiship should of been thought of 10+ yrs ago with expat drivers.
I would hope PD takes the reins one day he will make a fine PM.
The current balance sheet is worse than it has ever been, even before covid. The LNP has accrued more debt than any other Aus government in history with no plan to pay it back. Not. One. Single. Plan. Lower taxes from the LNP is also a myth. Most taxpayers will have a tax rise when the tax offset is removed next year. High income earners will get huge savings costing the budget even further.

Dutton doesn't like China but he sure acts like he wants the same as China. Internet surveillance, social media censorship. We'll be accruing social credits to go with all that debt in no time. Labor also agrees with everything the LNP has done on the Chinese policy level.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 04:31
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Mask mandates. Capacity limits back. No singing and dancing in doors. Does not seem like the Premiers are listening to the PM at all.

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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 07:24
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Gillard's passing of a bucketful of legislation doesn't make her a good PM. It just makes more red tape. We need fewer laws, not more. Just better laws.

The LNP has accrued more debt than any other Aus government in history
Would that perhaps be through the JobKeeper payments, which kept small businesses like mine alive, and allowed me to continue employing people? Our unemployment numbers are amazingly low, which isn't helping me at all, I need more workers. So do the restaurants.

All Albo does is squawk out the one-liners written for him to be a sound grab, no depth, and his only policy seems to be to bag the LNP, not promote the country.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 07:25
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No dancing unless you are at a wedding.

How does the virus know the difference?
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 07:57
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Western Australia is now closed off to the rest of the country, It is not up to the PM. Its up to the Premiers.
And now McGowan is sh!tting his pants just a few days from Xmas with mask mandates and other restrictions over ONE case. When asked why no lockdown, he replied “because of our very high vaccination rate…one of the highest in the world”. Well if the rate is so high, then why not open the borders?

Karma is a b!tch though and McGowan deserves a dose of it. WA may well be locked down by New Years Eve once this spreads during Xmas gatherings. Bring it on, and hopefully we won’t have to wait til Feb 5 for some common sense to finally prevail.



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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 07:58
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Time to join the party Mark , let it rip !
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:05
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Would that perhaps be through the JobKeeper payments, which kept small businesses like mine alive, and allowed me to continue employing people?
No, National debt has been rising under Labor and then Liberal governments since the GFC, Covid and JobKeeper has only accelerated it.

Anyway some interesting news out of the McGowan press conference today about the spread in Perth. He said that if there was enough community spread the planned February 5th reopening becomes redundant.

So that all important date, you know the title of the thread “All Borders to Reopen” may be imminent.

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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:33
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Anyway some interesting news out of the McGowan press conference today about the spread in Perth. He said that if there was enough community spread the planned February 5th reopening becomes redundant.

So that all important date, you know the title of the thread “All Borders to Reopen” may be imminent.
We can only hope dr dre
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:44
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And now McGowan is sh!tting his pants just a few days from Xmas with mask mandates and other restrictions over ONE case. When asked why no lockdown, he replied “because of our very high vaccination rate…one of the highest in the world”. Well if the rate is so high, then why not open the borders?

Karma is a b!tch though and McGowan deserves a dose of it. WA may well be locked down by New Years Eve once this spreads during Xmas gatherings. Bring it on, and hopefully we won’t have to wait til Feb 5 for some common sense to finally prevail.
You do seem to be rather an unpleasant fellow wishing Covid on people.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:47
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You do seem to be rather an unpleasant fellow wishing Covid on people.
Yep…I would hate for fully vaccinated healthy people to get a runny nose and sore throat. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 09:26
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Yep…I would hate for fully vaccinated healthy people to get a runny nose and sore throat. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
what about the people who spend weeks in ICU units, go on to develop long-COVID or die?
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 09:50
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what about the people who spend weeks in ICU units, go on to develop long-COVID or die?
Well the vast, vast majority of people in ICUs are unvaccinated.

We’ve now reached a point where Australia’s high vaccination levels will mostly keep ICUs from overflowing. Every leader is now pretty much abandoning those who’ve chosen to not take a vaccine. And Australia has, through want of getting out of lockdowns or mandates, one of the highest vaxxed adult populations.

Those who die of Covid are now matching standard excess mortality, which means they’re not causing a massive increase in death. Check out this graph of UK excess mortality for instance:

Excess Mortality in England

Spikes around early 2020 and winter 20/21 but now more in line with expected numbers. Basically the populations vulnerable to influenza now the ones vulnerable to Covid (so make sure they’re vaccinated and avoid contact if contagious please).

The prevalence of long Covid after vaccination is still unknown, however it’s probably safe to say you’re less likely to get symptoms, the symptoms will probably be mild, and the time they persist for measured in weeks rather than months. Here’s a good article to read:

Do vaccines reduce your risk of long COVID? Here's what we know so far - ABC News
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 10:08
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Yep…I would hate for fully vaccinated healthy people to get a runny nose and sore throat. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
I am lost for words.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 10:26
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Labor also agrees with everything the LNP has done on the Chinese policy level.
Like signing up for the CCP's Belt & Road debt trap?
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 10:27
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Well the vast, vast majority of people in ICUs are unvaccinated.

We’ve now reached a point where Australia’s high vaccination levels will mostly keep ICUs from overflowing. Every leader is now pretty much abandoning those who’ve chosen to not take a vaccine. And Australia has, through want of getting out of lockdowns or mandates, one of the highest vaxxed adult populations.

Those who die of Covid are now matching standard excess mortality, which means they’re not causing a massive increase in death. Check out this graph of UK excess mortality for instance:

Excess Mortality in England

Spikes around early 2020 and winter 20/21 but now more in line with expected numbers. Basically the populations vulnerable to influenza now the ones vulnerable to Covid (so make sure they’re vaccinated and avoid contact if contagious please).

The prevalence of long Covid after vaccination is still unknown, however it’s probably safe to say you’re less likely to get symptoms, the symptoms will probably be mild, and the time they persist for measured in weeks rather than months. Here’s a good article to read:

Do vaccines reduce your risk of long COVID? Here's what we know so far - ABC News
People are still people, regardless of how misguided or stupid they may be. I for one do not believe this is worthy of minimising the impact of their death or suffering regardless of their impact on my career or family life.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 10:30
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I am lost for words.
That’s a first
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