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Old 19th Aug 2021, 02:19
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
​​​​​​https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...5d24bfa57fa17c

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0210609-p57zae

Short memories. We’ve had plenty of Victorians fleeing Chairman Dan’s gold standard, spreading COVID as they go. Up here in Cairns, we can tell when Victorian’s are 3 days into lockdown by the sudden influx of Victoria - The Lockdown State plates as victorians flee.
And that's a reasonable excuse to be mad. It doesn't detract from the NSW government's mishandling.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 02:33
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Originally Posted by SOPS
As it says in the article you have provided a link to;

The [New Zealand] government closed the trans-Tasman bubble on 25 July after the outbreak in New South Wales. Anyone returning from New South Wales was required to go to into quarantine. Travellers from Victoria were required to self-isolate for three days and produce two negative tests. But New Zealanders returning from other parts of Australia were given a week-long grace period to return without having to isolate. Those travellers were required to have a pre-departure test before arrival but the emergence of the virus has raised questions over whether that line of defence was breached.

Ardern said there was 100% compliance with the rules made on the closure of the bubble, but despite this health officials would be producing a list of all arrivals from Australia into New Zealand during that period and contacting them again.
​​​So, quarantine-free travel to New Zealand ceased three weeks ago; Adern maintains that there has been 100 percent compliance with pre-departure testing, quarantine and self-isolation measures since then; and yet they are have an outbreak. It is very likely that one of two things has happened; either the measures that the New Zealand government put in place were not entirely effective or there hasn't been 100 percent compliance. Either/or or both, they are factors entirely within the remit of the New Zealand government.

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Old 19th Aug 2021, 02:40
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
remember that at the polling booth.
Just what Australia needs. Another partisan political influencer!


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Old 19th Aug 2021, 02:56
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Operation ‘zero’ cases

https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/pub0008/

Perhaps some of these ‘mystery’ infections have come via the post with your Mail, EBay purchases, Amazon deliveries, Uber eats and flower deliveries? Have our fearless politicians and their CMO’s explored this possibility? Time to shut down everything and go into underground bunkers (only if you have a vaccine passport) and pop back up in 3 years time. Like a post-nuclear winter.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 03:44
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
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Those bloody Bondi surfers from 7 weeks ago that couldn't hold on, did their business in the pond and it just happens to turn up in the Auckland harbour. Welcome to the party pals.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 03:50
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250,000 infections would get us out of this quicker . Fear would have lines at vaccination centres , federal government would flood country with vaccines and we would forget this whack a mole attitude .
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 03:51
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Just what Australia needs. Another partisan political influencer!
I couldn't give a damn Gnads, not my state, however I don't want to hear anyone complaining in her next term when she stuffs it again and you had the chance to remove her. That's where the public have their chance to say if these policies were right or wrong. If you don't understand it's your vote that determines policy in these times, then you are lost.

Why do you think McGowan keeps slamming borders shut to WA. Because he won an election in a complete wipeout of the opposition during covid. That result gave him the mandate to keep doing it as needed and more, whether that was the intention of the voters or not, that's what they endorsed.

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Old 19th Aug 2021, 04:25
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Thats the trigger for WA. I feel sorry for people from WA currently in NSW. They may not get home for months.
And a big vote of confidence in WA's hotel quarantine. It works fine when the majority of people aren't infected....McGowan is rightfully sh1t scared about the parlous state of affairs in the state's health system.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 04:32
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Despite al the rhetoric, quite a few people in WA have relatives in “The East”, not to mention all the British expats who live there.

Sooner or later, WA is going to have to open up.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 05:04
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
Melbourne figures out. 57 cases, 44 in iso, leaving 13 in the community which is the danger figure. Funny how Vic gov like to leak this stuff around 0830am, and NSW go all out bang at 1100am. Days of our lives stuff.
54 out of the 57 are linked & from looking at the past few days they are often able to link the mystery cases pretty quickly.
Many of the cases announced today are a result of 13 day tests which have still come up positive so a further 14 day quarantine for those individuals.
Andrews said although they would much rather see low numbers this is not a day to panic over the numbers as it was somewhat expected.
Last year was a disaster down here but to give them some credit it looks like it is under control & not exploding all through the state or even the suburbs.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 05:22
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A rough graph of the current options and projections:



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Old 19th Aug 2021, 05:29
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Much easier to prove, to persuade a person in the age range that gets hit by 20-50% mortality rates that vaccinating is in their interest. As you can see reading back the main issue is the younger folk believing it's like the flu, until they get it and then somehow changing their tune, add to that some well placed conspiracies and bad media.
If you again reference the ACT - the day they opened registrations for 30-39 years olds something like 10K registered in 24 hours. I think overwhelmingly young people are ready and wanting to be vaccinated. They are after all the ones bearing the economic brunt, having to manage home schooling and worried about their parents and children getting unwell at both ends of the age spectrum. Also, they are the ones "superspreading" via workplaces. Until now, unless they meet the criteria, they haven't been eligible for vaccination. Thousands in NSW/ACT/VIC have got AZ in the last few weeks because they are sick of waiting.
Anecdotally, the largest group needing to sway is 50-70 year olds unwilling to get AZ, "waiting for Pfizer". Everyone can make their own choice re vaccination - but I really hope they don't get priority over young people who haven't had the 'choice'.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 06:36
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Originally Posted by ruprecht
Sooner or later, WA is going to have to open up.
Probably later, much later, very much later
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 06:42
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
I couldn't give a damn Gnads, not my state, however I don't want to hear anyone complaining in her next term when she stuffs it again and you had the chance to remove her. That's where the public have their chance to say if these policies were right or wrong. If you don't understand it's your vote that determines policy in these times, then you are lost.

Why do you think McGowan keeps slamming borders shut to WA. Because he won an election in a complete wipeout of the opposition during covid. That result gave him the mandate to keep doing it as needed and more, whether that was the intention of the voters or not, that's what they endorsed.
And listening to talk back today, it seems most ( not all ) people are 100 percent behind Mark.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 08:54
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Originally Posted by SOPS
And listening to talk back today, it seems most ( not all ) people are 100 percent behind Mark.

only old retired blokes with no life who don’t fly anymore yet still frequent aviation sites listen to WA talkback. Either way, I wouldn’t call a talkback audience a good sample.

he’s done a great job. Last month, ambulance ramp hours blew through 5000 in a month. That’s 5000 hours of an ambulance sitting outside an ED with a patient inside, unable to get treatment, and with the ambulance unable to be redeployed elsewhere. It’s no wonder he’s so **** scared of COVID.

he’s done nothing. He’s a pathetic man who jumps onto the latest public opinion issue and follows the masses.

so while you smugly sit in WA now jumping on here every day to share the latest tidbit of minor information and take joy in the decline or end of many pilots careers, remember that not too far into the future, when WA residents see the rest of Australia getting on with life while you’re stuck in the one place (may not bother you personally but it will annoy many expats and others), we’ll be sitting here flipping the bird at you lot saying ‘couldn’t give a toss’
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 09:30
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
only old retired blokes with no life who don’t fly anymore yet still frequent aviation sites listen to WA talkback. Either way, I wouldn’t call a talkback audience a good sample.

he’s done a great job. Last month, ambulance ramp hours blew through 5000 in a month. That’s 5000 hours of an ambulance sitting outside an ED with a patient inside, unable to get treatment, and with the ambulance unable to be redeployed elsewhere. It’s no wonder he’s so **** scared of COVID.

he’s done nothing. He’s a pathetic man who jumps onto the latest public opinion issue and follows the masses.

so while you smugly sit in WA now jumping on here every day to share the latest tidbit of minor information and take joy in the decline or end of many pilots careers, remember that not too far into the future, when WA residents see the rest of Australia getting on with life while you’re stuck in the one place (may not bother you personally but it will annoy many expats and others), we’ll be sitting here flipping the bird at you lot saying ‘couldn’t give a toss’
I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyone’s job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 09:44
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I assure you I take no joy in the end of anyone’s job in aviation.. I have many friends still working or tying to work in aviation.
i genuinely hope that’s the case. We get it. Can’t deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He won’t spend a cent of all WA’s apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, he’s finished.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 12:48
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
i genuinely hope that’s the case. We get it. Can’t deny WA is in a good place now. McGowan has done NOTHING outside of lock everyone out and claim victory. People are so focussed on COVID they forget about the other stuff. Those ambulance times are diabolical. He won’t spend a cent of all WA’s apparent riches on basic amenities for the public, so where does it all go. When covid does get there, he’s finished.
McGowan has done a politician's Bradbury.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 14:03
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Gladys said today we now have to live with this virus. ( Where did this common sense come from). Well if they started with that philosophy from scratch, we wouldn't be in this mess now. Then Scotty says we must suppress the virus. Making up policy on the spot. Next question the UK opened up at 50% with a population of 63 mil. Then want us to open up at 80% with a population of 25 mil. Um, our CHOs obviously failed elementary mathematics never mind physiology talk about that another time.
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Old 19th Aug 2021, 20:08
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If we had started with that philosophy a lot more of us wouldn’t be in this mess now because they'd be dead. So you’re right on that point. Someone failed elementary mathematics, that’s for sure.
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