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Old 28th Jun 2021, 13:32
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Mark McGowan about to give a press conference. Standby for possible lock down. ( thatís just my guess.) Hope Iím wrong.
Well I was wrong
He's been very trigger happy in the past but i think going hard and fast is the right thing to do in this case.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 13:49
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He's been very trigger happy in the past but i think going hard and fast is the right thing to do in this case.
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So do I. We donít need another NSW. I just want my second AZ.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 13:57
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We've now got 30% of the population under lockdown...how much worse can this get.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:00
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
We've now got 30% of the population under lockdown...how much worse can this get.
31%? 32%? Itís fecking ridiculous I know that
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:02
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Just remember, it’s not a race...
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:03
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Originally Posted by morno
31%? 32%? Itís fecking ridiculous I know that
Whatís your plan?
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:24
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Front of the queue...:



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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:28
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Front of the queue...:


FFS is there nothing NZ isn't better at than Australia? I even enjoy Wellington Paranormal.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 22:49
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Whatís your plan?
For what? Opening up the country?

Offer the vaccine to everyone, give a hard date to be vaccinated, then open up and stop giving a **** about 2 cases. Those who choose not to be vaccinated will just have to accept they run the risk of getting sick.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 22:56
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I agree, Morno. The zero cases strategy was laudable while we were waiting for a vaccine, but time is running out on that. They should set an aggressive goal, adopt a hard date, make vaccinations mandatory. Then open it up. And find some creative economic penalty for closed borders.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
FFS is there nothing NZ isn't better at than Australia? I even enjoy Wellington Paranormal.
There's a significant difference in vaccinations given and being fully vaccinated: being at the end of the supply chain and initially limited to mainly AZ jabs with a 12 week gap between the two, we stood little chance of matching countries who (understandably) kept the production for themselves. I'm among a significant number who will be getting their 12 week booster this weekend, and I suspect that the fully vaccinated figures will then boost noticeably.

Apathy and outright agitation against vaccination doesn't help: I can't help but remember everyone (yes, everyone) getting vaccinated against polio, the scourge which has virtually disappeared.




https://www.health.gov.au/initiative...accine-rollout
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:13
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Originally Posted by SOPS
What’s your plan?
Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:36
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And just like that AZ is now ‘safe’ and available to all, well with further government indemnities.

If this week doesn’t give the vaccinations Australia wide a kick in the arse then nothing will.

Vaccination is the only way.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:38
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I note the second jab of Astra is now recommended between 4 and 12 weeks after the first one. This seems a big change that hasn’t been well advertised.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:47
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Apathy and outright agitation against vaccination doesn't help: I can't help but remember everyone (yes, everyone) getting vaccinated against polio, the scourge which has virtually disappeared.
I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 23:51
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.
I love that plan!!!!
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:16
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I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness
they also recommended smoking.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/blo...rsing-tobacco/

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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:18
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Having been through the quarantine system, Direct Anywhere's plan looks panicked and overdone.

I don't disagree with purpose built quarantine facilities where appropriate. However, one size fits all is not only unnecessary, it still mixes high-risk returning Australians with those who are frankly no-risk. This approach is one of the many holes in the fumbly and overdone bureaucratic health quarantine process. It lacks common sense.

Why don't you break the issue of returning travellers down as you would as a pilot? Risk management and TEM principles. A single approach to every country ( except NZ ) will see this crisis having no way out. We have learn't nothing.

How many nurses who test returned travellers in their hotel rooms have caught COVID? They are vaccinated and wear hazmat equipment.

Has COVID leaked in quarantine facilities where you have openable windows and access to balconies?

Once again, Israel will give a good idea where we will be in six months plus with Delta. At a glance I think we will be burdened by the unvaccinated.

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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:23
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I remember all the doctors saying that thalidomide was the best thing for treating morning sickness
I remember a time when aeroplanes were rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which were prone to crashing very often. As the design, testing, manufacture and certification of aircraft has never changed since then thatís why aeroplanes in 2021 are still only rickety contraptions made of fabric and wood which are very unsafe to board....... /s
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:26
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Declare a state of emergency, requisition all the manpower, equipment, materials and temporary structures you can find. Get army engineers to manage the immediate construction of quarantine facilities on federally owned land near a major capital city. I hate the use of this term, but we should be on a "war-like" footing when it comes to the establishment of remote quarantine.

All returning travellers either go there or similar "Howard Springs-style" facilities.

The only people in "hotel" quarantine are international flight crew. No-one deals with them in any way who is not vaccinated and subject to daily PCR testing. Requisition airport hotels within walking distance of the terminal where they're available. No need for drivers, no public contact, nothing.

Frankly, given our recent experiences, the next "leak" is already brewing in a hotel somewhere. We are suffering a breach roughly every 7-10 days. This cannot go on.

It's going to be expensive, but not as expensive as the current disaster. I'll happily pay a temporary levy for 12 months as I need to be working to pay such a levy, something that is looking increasingly unlikely, again.
Why would Australia do any of that? The economic numbers are great!

The lesson to be learnt from the pandemic is that Australia should continue to randomly lock down capital cities, randomly close interstate borders and keep the international borders closed to travellers. That, and continue to rack up trillions in debt. It's good for the economy.

(Methinks Australia is nearing the end of the beginning of the fight against this pandemic. The beginning will have ended once the amateur hour quarantine arrangements have ended - something that should have happened over a year ago.)
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