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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 10:06
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot
I say you nailed it mate.

If we have to blame one person, it is him indeed. He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. And every Australian should be angry. Angry for the next decade even.

I hope his name lives on as the biggest cluster$&@# in the history of Australian Politics. That would make me happier.
Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really it’s the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I don’t remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself.
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ex 9 News: Queensland doctor fined $4003 for coronavirus breach after returning ....

Have a crack at this 'Pull-Threw'........

'9 News' link here: https://www.9news.com.au/national/qu...5-ac77062f38c9

'Your Life'- their hands...... anyhoo...????

rgds/& be Well
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 10:21
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Originally Posted by morno
Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really it’s the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I don’t remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself.
No, I don’t think he was spreading it himself, but ignoring advice from people telling him the Hotel Quarantine was broken from the start and not taking action borders on criminal negligence. The Age link may not work behind a pay wall. Anyway, let’s hope the inquiry isn’t as corrupt as Dan- hiding behind his communist walls. If you still like him, great.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p55bij.html

https://www.themandarin.com.au/13611...e-emails-show/
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 11:00
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Is it? Or are you just looking for someone to blame, when really it’s the stupidity of the population that has caused this?

I don’t remember reading anything about Dan Andrews being out spreading it himself.
Open your eyes, the people are doing what they can get away with. You are not from Victoria, you don't know what's going on down there. A simple comparison between VIC and NSW hotel quarantine shows the shortfall of the VIC quarantine.

If it's not that clowns job to get it right, who's is it? You accept 100% responsibility for the safety of the people on board your aircraft, this clown has done nothing but deflect blame away from himself. He is the PIC of Victoria.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 11:15
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Thank you Bodie1. I’m glad someone else gets the concept of “the buck stops here”.

People in democratic societies always have and always will break rules or test boundaries. Unfortunately COVID has highlighted more than any other event the fragility of a democratic house of cards that is brought down by the one card that is “bent”. It was up to the Premier (PIC) of Victoria to chose the cards he stacked. Risk error management. There was no process ever applied.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 11:23
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Realistically we also need to ask why the process was given to the state governments, border force is a federal agency.
If hotels are not up to the task, perhaps Christmas island, the workers camp outside Darwin (used for the Wuhan flights) and other such facilities need to be used instead
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 11:38
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Green, I did the hotel iso in Sydney on my return from OS. The Army and the NSW Police nailed it. There was no way you were ducking out to 7/11 for a pack of ciggies! Around day 10 I would have given anything for a breath of fresh air, human nature to want to duck out. But it was NOT going to happen!

Andrews is a complete arseclown. He was warned over and over and over again. The rest of Australia is paying for his incompetence. One billion a week this is costing all of us.

Your career as a pilot is over if you ****** up to the magnitude that he has.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 13:01
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Green, I did the hotel iso in Sydney on my return from OS. The Army and the NSW Police nailed it. There was no way you were ducking out to 7/11 for a pack of ciggies! Around day 10 I would have given anything for a breath of fresh air, human nature to want to duck out. But it was NOT going to happen!

Andrews is a complete arseclown. He was warned over and over and over again. The rest of Australia is paying for his incompetence. One billion a week this is costing all of us.

Your career as a pilot is over if you ****** up to the magnitude that he has.
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...144b70bdf69a2e
Yep no way you could escape those Sydney hotels. No way in the world, nope not possible.
Going to blame Gladys for this **** up?
https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-a...e-da081be7682a
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/...05-p55954.html
"The NSWPF is aware of videos depicting inappropriate behaviour by a small number of private security guards previously contracted to a Sydney hotel for the ongoing mandatory quarantine operation."

Private security being used a **** load in Sydney too. I can also say that I know someone who is in the reserves who worked in the Sydney hotels for 6 weeks. He sent me numerous videos and photos of army personnel sleeping on the job.

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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 13:09
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Wow man! One person, and she was caught, fined and returned to iso

I'm telling you what happened when I was in iso. I was there mate.


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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Bodie1
Open your eyes, the people are doing what they can get away with. You are not from Victoria, you don't know what's going on down there. A simple comparison between VIC and NSW hotel quarantine shows the shortfall of the VIC quarantine.

If it's not that clowns job to get it right, who's is it? You accept 100% responsibility for the safety of the people on board your aircraft, this clown has done nothing but deflect blame away from himself. He is the PIC of Victoria.
So when the aircraft is on fire and you’re a passenger down the back, you wait for Dan Andrews to come open the emergency exit for you do you? You don’t just take some responsibility for your own life and open it? Like you were shown? You know, a bit like how you were all f**king told to isolate after coming back from overseas, or after getting a Covid test .

53% of you stupid barstards in Victoria thought it was a good idea to duck into Woolies for your weekly shop after being tested and feeling unwell!!! How stupid are you all? Do you really all need to be treated like kindergarteners and told when to wipe your asses? Or do you **** your pants and then blame it on the premier?

How about a bit of common sense and responsibility, that’d go a long way.
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Originally Posted by morno
Or do you **** your pants
You don't want to do that after the run on bog-roll again!!!
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You are still missing the point Morno. If it was your state the same thing would be happening. Don’t act all high and mighty that the people in “my state” would be following the rules and it wouldn’t be a problem. You are lucky your state Government handled the Hotel Quarantine better which didn’t lead to an INITIAL BREAKOUT. It’s beyond containment now, and ALL of AUSTRALIA gets to reap the health and economic woes.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 21:42
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Oh and Sydneysiders, get ready to call your local MP before it’s too late. BLM protesters in Sydney still think this is great timing to hold a protest on Tuesday.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have an issue with the cause, but the timing is just stupid and you would think they would have learnt from Melbourne’s pain. The people and the Government need to stop it before you guys are also locked up and wearing masks everywhere.

So morno, there you have it. It’s not just Victorians who are “stupid”.

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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 21:45
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Oh and Sydneysiders, get ready to call your local MP before it’s too late. BLM protesters in Sydney still think this is great timing to hold a protest on Tuesday.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have an issue with the cause, but the timing is just stupid and you would think they would have learnt from Melbourne’s pain. The people and the Government need to stop it.

So morno, there you have it. It’s not just Victorians who are “stupid”.
NSW outbreak sitting at just under 20 a day. They'll be in the hundreds in weeks even without the BLM rally.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 23:23
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Each state has their fair share of flouters, the only reason this hasn't happened in the lesser states is because the police were present and they just happened not to be infected, otherwise those states would have been no different. I'm devastated, I have loved ones in what will be on the front line in dedicated covid centres. The girls are not confident that ppe supply, usage and safety procedures will not be compromised. Should that happen, you idiots are on your own, goodluck.
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Old 23rd Jul 2020, 23:55
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I am not confident that Big Brother knows what it is doing. What science is behind allowing 150 people at a wedding or conference, while restricting it to 100 at a funeral? Yet allowing an unlimited number to attend a BLM protest. Derrr...
It smacks of bureaucrats rolling over to appease certain segments of our broken democracy. Making rules on the run and then breaking those same rules.
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable. If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 00:24
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable. If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.
100% agree, these are not normal times and therefor the law enforcement response should not have to be “normal”. Ask the front line health workers at risk everyday and I’m sure they would support extreme measures to get people to comply.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 00:31
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That's one of the first things I noticed after retirement. There appears to be an extraordinary amount of incompetence and dodginess happening, prior to that I thought it was just a workplace thing, I never did trust anyone with my life, even less so now.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 00:34
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Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
Rules should be consistent, clear and above all, enforceable.
In Victoria, we fell down at your first point.
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If it means using the military and breaking up protests when they pose a danger to society in general by deploying fire hoses and tear gas, so be it.
Agreed, but I'd draw the line at the unidentified Para Military that Trump is deploying in the States. (Not suggesting it'd happen here...I think...but that'd be my line in the sand)
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Buster they are not para-military as you suggest. They are protecting federal buildings from the wilful destruction of highly organised anarchist and Marxist activists.
The teams are comprised of federal marshals, border protection, and other federal agencies. Federal buildings in Portland sustain nightly arson attacks also the anarchists are using high powered lasers. It’s okay because the main stream media tells you these are peaceful protesters, whilst their previous convictions suggest otherwise. Federal prison time comes with no parol. These actions will continue until Soros gets what he wants.
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