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You shouldn’t be criticising the statistics presented by others when you get your own so egregiously wrong. There have been 909 deaths in Australia from covid-19 as of todays date, so if there were 33 per million cases as you state, that would imply Australia had approx 27.5 million cases of covid-19 - that every single person in Australia had been infected, which is clearly not the case. There have been 909 deaths and 28504 cases as of today, giving a death rate of 3.18% of confirmed infections. Entirely different to your statement, which is off by a factor of around 100,000.
with covid-19 not from covid-19.
A lot older blokes die with prostate cancer not from it.
There is a difference. I have not seen an explanation as to why testing positive with Covid would automatically infer that you died from Covid.
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- The situation in NSW was unpredictable
- The red zone was likely to expand
- If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.
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Well the last Covid-19 death in NSW in the last week or so they put it down to Covid as the gentleman had it in March. So that would mean if you die from any respiratory illness moving forward it could be a covid death.
There were very clear warnings on the 20th December or earlier that:
- The situation in NSW was unpredictable
- The red zone was likely to expand
- If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.
If the choice is made to go well so be it,if the circumstances or the risk changes well also so be it but if you take a risk well often the consequences are not what you expect.
Of course its very hard on the affected people but like i mentioned in a previous post there are lots of people still criticising the government now for not closing the border quickly enough so as always everyone cant be pleased.
There were very clear warnings on the 20th December or earlier that:
- The situation in NSW was unpredictable
- The red zone was likely to expand
- If you travel to NSW there was a risk you would not be able to return home.
1A and others, you just don't get it. This is war.
War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).
So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.
Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"
War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).
So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.
Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"
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Who comes up with these insane rules. Drive from QLD to VIC two stops 15 minutes what about singles do they not matter? Truck drivers can not do that much driving. Hopefully ppl do not attempt this ridiculous feat wouldn’t want to have any road accidents because of it or even worse they crash into someone else. Just another Dan Andrew’s f$&k up.
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Who comes up with these insane rules. Drive from QLD to VIC two stops 15 minutes what about singles do they not matter? Truck drivers can not do that much driving. Hopefully ppl do not attempt this ridiculous feat wouldn’t want to have any road accidents because of it or even worse they crash into someone else. Just another Dan Andrew’s f$&k up.
Many people ignored the warnings, but the idea that there were no warnings is false.
I have now added NSW and VIC to that list.
Yes I do have relation and friends in those states.
I am part of a travelling group who are looking at our next group holiday. This year is supposed to be out next big trip. However, we have decided that this time it will be within the confines of Qld.
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That is your choice. There are 1000s who think different to you.
The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.
The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.
short flights long nights
That is your choice. There are 1000s who think different to you.
The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.
The UK and US must be pissing them self at us. I thought I was Australian not sure what we are called now. 7 cases today and it’s a state of emergency one premier having their constituents do an insane feat to get home another two premiers well one and a deputy having a war of words. I’ve lived in various parts of the world and always been defensive of Australia and how good it is to others. Never in my wildest dream I would know all the premiers names their back grounds and be so defensive about the state I live in.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13031334
1A and others, you just don't get it. This is war.
War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).
So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.
Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"
War is basically a learning situation where the side that learns and reacts fastest to new developments overpowers and destroys the opposition. This truism is encapsulated in the saying "no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy" (Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke the elder).
So yes, !A,, they were in the green zone, etc. but the plan changed. Think quick! It's going to change again and again. The only constant is change.
Ever heard the old army slogan "hurry up and wait?"
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Why doesn’t all quarantine go to Howard Springs NT?? Isolated, run by the government. No city/urban interaction risk. QF could base 2-3 787’s there and reach 90% of requests. Crew stay in own dedicated hotel with facilities. Situation over. Fed government should take over the issue. Stand up SCOMO.
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With no opinion attached, just data that people can draw their own conclusions from.
For which you call me a moron.
Nice one champ. Take a long hard look at yourself.
I am so sad, but I think all you folk on this forum who favour these "border closures" and other draconian measures implemented buy clueless politicians should take a long hard look in the mirror. What you will see is a fearful deluded and disturbed individual unable to accept personal responsibility. How you ever made it to a PIC position eludes me. This flu has a 99.9% survival rate amongst the healthy (have you got a class 1?). The measures you support cause more harm than good.
Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.
Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.
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Why doesn’t all quarantine go to Howard Springs NT?? Isolated, run by the government. No city/urban interaction risk. QF could base 2-3 787’s there and reach 90% of requests. Crew stay in own dedicated hotel with facilities. Situation over. Fed government should take over the issue. Stand up SCOMO.
We can’t forgo air freight. UPS/DHL/Fedex are stretched at the moment.
Most are pretty full outbound currently. CZ are filling a 380 out of a Melbourne daily.
I think the US and UK are pissing themselves..but not at us. The UK is reportedly days away from their hospital system being unable to cope.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13031334
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13031334
They've got some pretty big problems in the UK and USA, I doubt they are looking at Victoria or NSW and saying "wow, with 8 or 10 cases today those guys have really screwed up". Or even looking at them at all.
short flights long nights
I am so sad, but I think all you folk on this forum who favour these "border closures" and other draconian measures implemented buy clueless politicians should take a long hard look in the mirror. What you will see is a fearful deluded and disturbed individual unable to accept personal responsibility. How you ever made it to a PIC position eludes me. This flu has a 99.9% survival rate amongst the healthy (have you got a class 1?). The measures you support cause more harm than good.
Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.
Sorry, but with respect, that's what I think.
It is not the flu
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...010c605d45a221