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Old 5th Aug 2020, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Arthur D View Post
Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yesterday most here couldn’t give a rats ar$e about Alliance Aviation, just another trashy wannabe was the phrase I once heard used to describe them. Some of you couldn’t wait to get out.

Now, you covet their pilots jobs and promotions.

To paraphrase Matthew 5.5..in the case of aviation the meek really have inherited the earth.
At a time of when solidarity for our people is required the most, that’s possibly the worst thing I’ve ever read.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 11:00
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Arthur D and the moment any of the majors hired again the same people would be out the Alliance door faster then shyt off a chrome shovel.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 12:01
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Geeup. Agree 100% with your observation. I'm sure Alliance management are well aware of that possibility. Perhaps they should go with the ex Alliance guys who are overseas that they know. They are also now better qualified, experienced and having experienced the so called greener pasture will stay.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 12:38
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It would be great if we could all be nice to each other for a change.

I know many pilots are naturally competitive, but COVID has affected us all. Some terribly, some not so much, but we are all affected.

It’s awesome that Alliance have ordered new aircraft.

It’s even more awesome that they will be employing pilots... there are many pilots, with families to feed and mortgages to be paid, out of work, and with a bleak future.

I think pilot pissing contests are a bit out of order at the moment. Maybe let us wait until the world order has resumed and then we can re-commence our back-stabbing normality...



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Old 5th Aug 2020, 13:55
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Originally Posted by C152R View Post
Geeup. Agree 100% with your observation. I'm sure Alliance management are well aware of that possibility. Perhaps they should go with the ex Alliance guys who are overseas that they know. They are also now better qualified, experienced and having experienced the so called greener pasture will stay.
It will be interesting to see how Alliance management will crew the E190s. Will their management spend the money on type rating existing F100 crews, or go the cheaper option and hire already type rated and experienced crews, say from VA? The F100 and E190 have about the same MTOW and carry around 100 passengers so I'd imagine the pay would be similar to crew either types.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 06:19
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smiling monkey. It's not so much about the salary but flying a more modern aircraft. After all, the current pilot group have through their knowledge of the F100 and loyalty to the company have kept the operation on track. It's time they were rewarded.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 06:31
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After all, the current pilot group have through their knowledge of the F100 and loyalty to the company have kept the operation on track. It's time they were rewarded.
And since when has that ever been a consideration?
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 07:25
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
And since when has that ever been a consideration?
Would the existing F100 crew all even want to go on the E190? If they're comfortable on the F100 many might be reluctant to do a new type rating and line training for a bugger all pay rise. I understand that was the mindset of some F100 drivers at Network when they got the A320.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 07:33
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey View Post
It will be interesting to see how Alliance management will crew the E190s. Will their management spend the money on type rating existing F100 crews, or go the cheaper option and hire already type rated and experienced crews, say from VA? The F100 and E190 have about the same MTOW and carry around 100 passengers so I'd imagine the pay would be similar to crew either types.
They could also hire Aussies in US fiying Ejet as well. Typed and current.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 07:39
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Are these the Jetblue E190s?
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 08:09
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Regional erj175s.
Plenty of guys soon to be back home in Australia
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 09:49
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Originally Posted by onedottoolow View Post
Those pilots that ventured overseas for greener pastures shouldn’t be considered at all ! As they’ll be gone ASAP once international ramps up again.

The Australian way would be, look after those pilots being made redundant at Virgin, Tiger, and possibly Qantas and Jetstar.
These pilots and their families contribute significantly to the Australian enconomy and deserve first preference......
Fact is not all who headed overseas were chasing the big bucks, for some (many?) it was a job or no job.
Plenty of relationships/marriages wrecked, don't know of too many who ended up swimming in a vault full of money like Scrooge McDuck.

You may wish to temper your (incorrect) sweeping statement - or maybe not.

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Old 6th Aug 2020, 09:52
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Originally Posted by lee_apromise View Post
They could also hire Aussies in US fiying Ejet as well. Typed and current.
Typed in their FAA licenses? They'll need to transfer the type to their CASA license of course, without the standard FAA PIC limitations and Circling Approaches in VMC only limitations.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 10:35
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Are these the Jetblue E190s?
Apparentlty Copa's.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 10:39
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey View Post
Typed in their FAA licenses? They'll need to transfer the type to their CASA license of course, without the standard FAA PIC limitations and Circling Approaches in VMC only limitations.
CASA didn't care about my PIC limitation.

As for VMC removal, conversion to Canadian ATPL with Ejet type will automatically remove it without doing the removal in U.S. Same for PIC limitation. Who cares about PIC limitation anyway? All aussies have done 25 hours of PF flying.

Then just use Canadian Ejet type rating for CASA conversion.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 10:42
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Originally Posted by onedottoolow View Post
Those pilots that ventured overseas for greener pastures shouldn’t be considered at all ! As they’ll be gone ASAP once international ramps up again.

The Australian way would be, look after those pilots being made redundant at Virgin, Tiger, and possibly Qantas and Jetstar.
These pilots and their families contribute significantly to the Australian enconomy and deserve first preference......
Total nonsense. They paid taxes to ATO too before they moved to U.S.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 10:43
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ex Panama- circa 10x yrs....

Originally Posted by lee_apromise View Post
Apparentlty Copa's.
Link: https://simpleflying.com/copa-alliance-airlines-e190/

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Old 6th Aug 2020, 11:37
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Right,

So if it's not Ex Alliance guys who want to come home, it's the Virgin Ex-Ejet crew and now the GA lot who left to fly shiny jets in the states with the promise of a command within 12 months (who paid tax, lol). Surely, none of these posters have vested interests...

None of the three groups would have given the operation a second thought in January (especially the Virgin crew), but all of a sudden THEY are all the BEST candidates. I do especially love the part about 'known quantity' former Alliance pilots. You mean the ones that skipped out on bonds and handshakes when the desert called or bailed inside notice periods for what at the time seemed like greener pastures?

Seems like a lot of you would stab your grandmother for a start, probably push grandad down the stairs for a DEC too.

There's a reason why Alliance don't often have to advertise for flight crew. Not only does it seem a pretty good place to work, a lot of people seem to get an interview based on contacts already employed there. As a result, it generally also means their f*ckwit filter is pretty accurate. Hence why I don't work for them.

My advice is to call that 'bottom feeder' Alliance driver you haven't spoken to in years. You know, the one you thought you were better than, because you work for a 'real airline' or fly overseas or will have a jet command way before because, Murica. Get on the front foot and start that awkward networking:
"G'day maaaate, how are you? Just ringing for a catch up. Yeah, it's Dave maaaate. From Darwin. Nah the other Dave. Yeah It's been ages since we've had a chat eh maaaaate, we should get a coffee or a beer soon seeing as I'm on standown/back in the country (insert your personal circumstance)! How's things at Alliance maaaate?"

You'll get an interview in a heartbeat.

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Old 6th Aug 2020, 12:09
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I am enjoying watching you clowns bicker with each other about who the 'best' candidates are going to be.

Please continue.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 13:25
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Should Alliance direct entry type rated pilots onto the Embraer in lieu of current crew it’ll destroy morale. Worthy of consideration. No doubt the ‘boys’ will get a gig. The regular line drivers will resent it terribly. Trust Alliance have some semblance of thought on this.
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