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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 07:32
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Unfortunately I lost my job too. However I do know from a reliable source that there are a number of ex Alliance F100 pilots still employed in HK the ME and parts of Asia who would return given the opportunity, which could replace those pilots moving from the F100 to the E190. Most of those are currently flying Airbus, so getting current again shouldn't require to much retraining in the sim.
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 10:38
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Does Alliance stick to seniority or do they also accept DEC?
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Roj approved View Post
A good choice of aircraft, $5.5million each, super cheap deal. I guess lots of spare airframes sitting around in the US and the rest of the world. Can be upgraded to the -e2 in the future with little or no training cost.

As DSJ says, lots of VA ex E-Jet rated pilots around, even some Air North guys and girls might be interested. Good luck to Alliance, they have proved time and time again that they make smart decisions, which isn't so common in Australian Aviation.
A lot of loyal Alliance pilots deserving of a promotion too, or did you forget them Roj?
Fishing for a job maybe?
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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 12:20
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Honest Q:

If the F100's going to remain core to the fleet for the immediate future would the Ejet be a promotion or demotion or "slightly shinier jet syndrome but pretty much same same"??

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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Arthur D View Post
A lot of loyal Alliance pilots deserving of a promotion too, or did you forget them Roj?
Fishing for a job maybe?
Hi Arthur D,
I didnít really think it through when I wrote my post, I am by no means saying that the current guys and girls at Alliance donít deserve promotion, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wish everyone all the best, youíll enjoy the EJet.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 01:21
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[QUOTE=VH DSJ;10852027]Furthermore, would their simulator be ready immediately to start type endorsing pilots on it? If not, then they would have to seek Ejet type rating courses overseas and with the restrictions on travel and quarantining required in some countries, that won't be easy in the current climate. It would be more efficient and quicker to re-qualify already type rated pilots than have pilots transition across form the F100, IMHO. This article suggests that their first E190 revenue flight will be in February 2021, so that would suggest a pretty fast lead up time for the E190 to be operational.
DSJ. The pilots now applying to Alliance are presumably unemployed and were at the bottom of the Virgin seniority list. I would suggest that once they have the opportunity to move on to a bigger, shiner jet with an increase in salary they would leave, costing Alliance money that they would have spent renewing their E190 rating and then having to replace them when they leave with a another pilot and a complete conversion.
Where as if they employed experienced ex Alliance pilots who are a known quantity who are currently employed all be it with a reduction of their present salary but are still employed AND are willing to return I would have thought would be a better bet. Note some of these pilots were Check and Training on F50 and F100s.
Further nearly all the pilots who did leave have obtained worth while endorsements and international experience, so there is no longer a yearning for something else.....been there and done that. No reason for further adventure.
Alliance also knows their current positions, employers and their private email contacts. Further their current CP has been involved in all their upgrades and recurrent training. No need to sift through applications.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 02:20
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Looks like C152R has it all sorted!
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 04:32
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Well if it is fourteen aircraft, say ten to begin with, at two crews an airframe that is forty pilots. How many ex Alliance pilots are "out there" waiting to return?
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 05:50
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What must be remembered when these pilots left, was that the mining industry was winding down and they feared loss of employment. At the time just having F100 experience would have made it difficult in obtaining another position when competing with other qualified pilots. This resulted in them applying for other positions where they hoped they could obtain endorsements on modern equipment.
It appears they have been quite successful. From what I can gather they have been able to obtain endorsements on the B777,787,767,A330 and A320. and achieve several years of international experience.
Now, to get to your question. I can't give you an exact number but it would not be to difficult to obtain who wishes to come back, after all they have achieved their objectives. I'm sure the company through the pilot group has ways of contacting them. There are some in the Middle East, HK and the Far East. Try Linkedin you will find a few.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 06:34
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Originally Posted by Zhoottoo View Post
Quite possibly the only profitable airline in the world during calendar year 2020????
Pennies in the dollar compared to Cargolux, FedUps, Atlas

Cargolux just paid a bonus
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 07:00
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Probably the only profitable airline, that carries passengers?
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 07:38
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Why don't we just wait and see what Alliance will actually do...
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 07:42
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Originally Posted by swh View Post
Cargolux just paid a bonus
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 11:25
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This $115m for this number of aircraft does not seem right. The list price is USD$50m per aircraft. There is no way they are offering them for $5m each. Impossible. There has to be more to this.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 11:29
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Originally Posted by T-Vasis View Post
This $115m for this number of aircraft does not seem right. The list price is USD$50m per aircraft. There is no way they are offering them for $5m each. Impossible. There has to be more to this.
its quite correct - perhaps youve been out of the game, particurly in the most recent of times

I know of another carrier who has 30+ E190 who are trying to flog them off as well and currently talking to another establish embraer operating about taking 4
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 11:47
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Originally Posted by Falling Leaf View Post
Why don't we just wait and see what Alliance will actually do...
😂😂😂😂😂 you know thatíll never happen Leafy
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 05:40
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Having read all the above and now considering the Virgin announcement by the end of the day if not tomorrow
bleedin the obvious their will be at least 500 applications on Alliance's doorstep all with E170/190 time.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Having read all the above and now considering the Virgin announcement by the end of the day if not tomorrow
bleedin the obvious their will be at least 500 applications on Alliance's doorstep all with E170/190 time.
I hope that some of them can get a job with Alliance as well. Some awesome people, great pilots, checkies and engineers. I hope the Alliance guys and girls get promotions etc. but giving jobs to those now out of work with lots of experience on type would be awesome in this current environment. It would be in everyone's interest at Alliance.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 08:29
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Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yesterday most here couldn’t give a rats ar$e about Alliance Aviation, just another trashy wannabe was the phrase I once heard used to describe them. Some of you couldn’t wait to get out.

Now, you covet their pilots jobs and promotions.

To paraphrase Matthew 5.5..in the case of aviation the meek really have inherited the earth.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 08:30
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Whats a bet youll see QQ operating VA's regional services in time to come. Cheaper cost base outsourcing....
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