Mildura Rednecks wreck our fair go reputation
Building alternative trading partners and defence pacts won't be white. Will racist bogans accept this? Or will all of a sudden Indians or Indonesians be the flavour of their vitriol and vilification?
44 odd posts and still no evidence that is was actually ‘Aussie Bogans’ or ‘Mildura Rednecks’ that are carrying this out...
Anything of substance?
Anything of substance?
YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.
Perhaps there's a bit more nuance to the facile "we're all dumb racist bogans" meme.
“On what basis do you presume to speak for everyone?”
On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.
I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.
“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”
Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.
Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.
“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”
And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.
“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”
I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.
“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “
I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.
“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”
And the English did? The French? The Americans?
“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”
No, they are hankering for an education.
On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.
I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.
“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”
Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.
Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.
“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”
And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.
“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”
I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.
“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “
I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.
“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”
And the English did? The French? The Americans?
“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”
No, they are hankering for an education.
Indeed. False Flag not unlikely with the CCP.
With bogan racism playing into their hands. Australia will need to be a lot smarter than this.
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Have flown in/out of Mildura 6 times in the last 4 weeks, all Sundays, including the day of this incident and can, confirm 2 cases of radio interference. The first about 3 weeks ago was 3 calls over 15 mins of "Annoying planes go away its Sunday", the most recent illegal calls last Sunday involved some extremely racist remarks made towards students of the school and Instructors, ranging fro Go Away to Burn the Chinese like the Jews. All incidents were reported to CASA by myself. At one Stage an inbound REX flight told the person via radio they were notifying local police.
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Have flown in/out of Mildura 6 times in the last 4 weeks, all Sundays, including the day of this incident and can, confirm 2 cases of radio interference. The first about 3 weeks ago was 3 calls over 15 mins of "Annoying planes go away its Sunday", the most recent illegal calls last Sunday involved some extremely racist remarks made towards students of the school and Instructors, ranging fro Go Away to Burn the Chinese like the Jews. All incidents were reported to CASA by myself. At one Stage an inbound REX flight told the person via radio they were notifying local police.
I think we can probably all agree on that, if nothing else.
“On what basis do you presume to speak for everyone?”
On the basis that EVERYONE has a face planted in a cheap mobile phone surfing the net for the latest deal on a flat screen TV wearing a shirt that will be replaced next month for the princely sum of $20 and has bought into the wonders of free market neo liberal capitalism at its finest.
I think the way we are slaves to capitalism in the west is fundamentally flawed and we are about to find out the hard way just how flawed. However the genie is out of the bottle, several generations have been grown up thinking debt based consumption and perpetual economic growth is the norm and they are not about to volunteer to step back to a hand me down lifestyle.
“but at least China because it is a communist dictatorship and Chinese companies are ultimately the tools of a communist dictatorship.”
Most Chinese companies manufacture stuff for American and German and Australian companies and are no more or less subject to the diktats of the Government than companies in America, Germany and Australia are.
Some industries in ALL countries are closely controlled by their respective Governments, that much we can expect. My wife spent several years as an executive for a tech company here in silicon valley where it is widely understood that the big tech companies such as Google, Apple and Facebook are very closely tied to Washington, the DOD, DARPA, CIA etc.
“China’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.”
And Australia’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of China. And America’s long term plans are not implemented for the benefit of Australians.
“I will rejoice on the day that their oil runs out”
I will too and look forward to it with baited breath.
“Perhaps the standard of living of the average Australian would be better if, instead of being mature aged babies, they understood that throwing last year’s flat screen TV and other devices onto the ever-growing piles of e-waste at the rubbish tip is good for the likes of billionaires like Gerry Harvey and his counterparts in other countries, and few else. “
I tend to agree, see my comments above regarding the problems inherent with capitalism. But good luck convincing the average consumer that they should stop consuming.
“they also have the least similar culture or regard for anyone else's culture or even territorial rights.”
And the English did? The French? The Americans?
“YET our universities are (until recently) absolutely full of Asian students hankering for an "Australian" education.”
No, they are hankering for an education.
And more so in culture. Higher education and learning is seen as the pinnacle of achievement. You’ll never find a tradie in Asia earning more than someone with university qualifications. And a pinnacle of respect. You’ll never find the average Asian person loudly exclaiming they know more than “Academic elites”, which I hear in Australia all the time.
Higher education and knowledge will be the most valuable human resource of the 21st century.
I’d lhate to see what you think of an actual third world country.
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Bull****. Everyone who can steals Intellectual Property ALL THE TIME. I’ve watched them do it. Furthermore, even the Chinese will cease and desist if caught red handed and a big enough fuss is made. The Israelis are just as bad as the Chinese and Americans.
The English, French and Americans respect, protect and enforce our intellectual property rights and law of the sea rights, as does Australia theirs. The Chinese don’t. One of the reasons ‘the West’ has concerns about entering free trade agreements with China is that China does not respect intellectual property laws. All those Chinese student pilots in Australia will take back a copy of every piece of training material they can get their hands on. Slowly but steadily all those Australian flying training organisations will be replicated, to a lesser or greater extent, in China. They won’t get it anywhere near right the first time, but they are in it for the long game.
Gosh. So do the English, the USA and France steal IP as much as China does?
Yesterday a Chinese state media editor described Australia as “gum stuck to the bottom of China’s shoe”. A refreshingly honest expression of China’s attitude.
Yesterday a Chinese state media editor described Australia as “gum stuck to the bottom of China’s shoe”. A refreshingly honest expression of China’s attitude.
It may upset some here to read this, but Australia is gum on the bottom of China’s shoe and they could easily pull us off and discard us. How many instructors will lose their jobs because China finds a new location to train their pilots? A lot of keyboard heroes here but none willing to admit the consequences of their desires on our nation.
F*ck China, their students, (who wreck our housing market), and their "investment in Australia"
I am happy to pay more for manufactured goods from anywhere in the world except from China.
They can all get stuffed!
I am happy to pay more for manufactured goods from anywhere in the world except from China.
They can all get stuffed!
Well, we are. Their GDP is 20 times higher and rising. Their population is 50 times higher. We need them more than they need us. There’s other deposits of minerals in the world. There’s other sources of food, other countries with universities and free space to operate flying schools.
It may upset some here to read this, but Australia is gum on the bottom of China’s shoe and they could easily pull us off and discard us. How many instructors will lose their jobs because China finds a new location to train their pilots? A lot of keyboard heroes here but none willing to admit the consequences of their desires on our nation.
It may upset some here to read this, but Australia is gum on the bottom of China’s shoe and they could easily pull us off and discard us. How many instructors will lose their jobs because China finds a new location to train their pilots? A lot of keyboard heroes here but none willing to admit the consequences of their desires on our nation.
China could easily discard Australia. It may choose to do so. Do you have a ‘Plan B’ for that contingency?
All those instructors are digging career graves, if not for themselves for those aspiring to be instructors in the future. China will find a new location to train their pilots. It’s a place called “China”.
As I said before, all those Australian-trained Chinese pilots are taking the know-how back home. It’s like the Australian farmers who are exporting herd cattle to China. One day China will say thanks for the know how (and the cattle), we now have the critical mass to do this ourselves, and goodbye.
There are short-term gains from sucking up to China. A lot of keyboard heroes are not willing to admit the long-term consequences of doing so.
Some of us desire a thriving flying training industry that’s training Australians to meet the demands of what should be a thriving general aviation sector in Australia. Unfortunately for the long-term interests of Australia (and flying instructors), the place is run on the basis of the the laziest way to the quickest bucks (and cheapest flat-screen TVs).
“It’s ironic that you capitalised your most inaccurate overstatement”
An over statement?
No ****, to use your highly evolved writing style.
“Really? So if the Australian government issued a ‘diktat’ to - say - Qantas - to identify and sack all Uyghur employees and all homosexual employees, ya reckon Qantas would comply? Really?”
No, I very much doubt it. Social issues such as LGBT rights and the treatment of ethnic minorities is not really what I had in mind when making my comment about the Chinese Government and their strategic relationship with private industry. I see it as no different to the relationship in Australia. Look no further than private contractors in Manus Island assisting the Government in significant violations of human rights.
“At least I know you’re a real pilot. It’s “bated”.”
At least I know you’re an Australian pilot, focussed on the completely unimportant.
“The English, French and Americans respect, protect and enforce our intellectual property rights”
It would be very naive to think we in the west comply with international IP law. Take a look at vault 7, learn about some of the malware programs designed by the CIA specifically to steal IP.
“…..and law of the sea rights, as does Australia theirs.”
Where do you think Australia stands when it comes to flying illegal combat operations in the Middle East? Do you think we give a **** about other countries sovereignty?
“One of the reasons ‘the West’ has concerns about entering free trade agreements with China is that China does not respect intellectual property laws.”
Read up about the Triffin Dilemma and learn why America has a massive trade deficit with China. It has nothing to do with IP.
“As I said before, all those Australian-trained Chinese pilots are taking the know-how back home”
Isn’t that the point of training?
An over statement?
No ****, to use your highly evolved writing style.
“Really? So if the Australian government issued a ‘diktat’ to - say - Qantas - to identify and sack all Uyghur employees and all homosexual employees, ya reckon Qantas would comply? Really?”
No, I very much doubt it. Social issues such as LGBT rights and the treatment of ethnic minorities is not really what I had in mind when making my comment about the Chinese Government and their strategic relationship with private industry. I see it as no different to the relationship in Australia. Look no further than private contractors in Manus Island assisting the Government in significant violations of human rights.
“At least I know you’re a real pilot. It’s “bated”.”
At least I know you’re an Australian pilot, focussed on the completely unimportant.
“The English, French and Americans respect, protect and enforce our intellectual property rights”
It would be very naive to think we in the west comply with international IP law. Take a look at vault 7, learn about some of the malware programs designed by the CIA specifically to steal IP.
“…..and law of the sea rights, as does Australia theirs.”
Where do you think Australia stands when it comes to flying illegal combat operations in the Middle East? Do you think we give a **** about other countries sovereignty?
“One of the reasons ‘the West’ has concerns about entering free trade agreements with China is that China does not respect intellectual property laws.”
Read up about the Triffin Dilemma and learn why America has a massive trade deficit with China. It has nothing to do with IP.
“As I said before, all those Australian-trained Chinese pilots are taking the know-how back home”
Isn’t that the point of training?
I welcome Chinese students. They are better behaved, more law abiding, more respectful, more polite than a lot of Australian students who’ll give you a lesson on being disruptive, lazy, unprepared and spending more time worried about how drunk they can get on weekends than studying. Those Chinese students allow thousands of aviation professionals to put food on the table, pay bills, have a roof over their heads and have a career in Aviation.
I can see now why there’s hate being directed over airwaves at Chinese trainee pilots, an easily influenced population fearmongered to the point they want to irrationally lash out at those they perceive as an enemy. I fear for the safety of those here who are of Asian appearance, whether they are Chinese, Australian or others.
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The flood of Chinese students into Australia is over and it it won't restart. Once this current batch of students is finished there will be little to no inflow of new Chinese students. They already have massive flying schools in China turning out 2000 pilots a year per school. The school at Chengdu - Civil Aviation Flying University of China - is an example. I have been there and it is not going away. the current situation will focus China more on domestic training utilising its current assets.
Maybe a non Chinese trade pact could’ve been made via the TPP but the orange one decided to pull out so any chance of the waning world power having substantial influence in the Asia Pacific died at that point.
So my “Plan B” is to develop and strengthen our links to China and the Asia Pacific over any others. Not have ridiculous scaremongering directed against them by some elements of our government and media.
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The Chinese Government has been ramping up its "World Order" for quite some time and seems to be using the current financial crises of other countries to ramp it up even more. This being seen in one instance by its Ambassador to Australia, Chen Jingye's latest effort in his boycott diplomacy in order to shape the minds of politicians and citizens alike. (Boycott diplomacy being that which links political disputes to specific consumer responses).
If the China / Australia relationship tracks way the Chinese Government indicate they want it too, it will be akin to the "battered wife syndrome" because Australia having the "audacity" to have a different mindset to both them and communism.
But as usual the apologist for everything that China does, those commentators who bag their own country because they can, and those that accept anyones piece of silver is good, will sprout that it would be racist not to accept this position, and that any financial benefit for themselves will worth the loss of any self respect.
What next, maybe cargo cult mentality for Australia?
If the China / Australia relationship tracks way the Chinese Government indicate they want it too, it will be akin to the "battered wife syndrome" because Australia having the "audacity" to have a different mindset to both them and communism.
But as usual the apologist for everything that China does, those commentators who bag their own country because they can, and those that accept anyones piece of silver is good, will sprout that it would be racist not to accept this position, and that any financial benefit for themselves will worth the loss of any self respect.
What next, maybe cargo cult mentality for Australia?