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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:24
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It is clear that the bulldozer driver didn’t read the memo correctly.
The genius parked it in front of an aircraft in long term storage! It’s not going anywhere with all the tape on it.

Nice stunt - clearly the Perth airport PR hamster wheel is in full swing........ and the media bought it (again).
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 22:53
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Link to Deloitte's page on the matter/Administration: www.deloitte.com/au/virgin

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 23:00
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
I have no evidence for my assertion about QF dirty tricks. However the action is stupid on Four levels.

1. The aircraft are not required by Virgin ATM. The aircraft can sit and rot for all the administration cares. They are also blocking at least one gate. I would imagine terminal access is also closed.

2. Perth Airport is not going to improve its position as a creditor by this action. The aircraft are probably not owned by the airline so blackmailing is unlikely to succeed.

3. Virgin may not provide further services to WA as a result.

4. The action sends a powerful signal to the general public that Perth Airport does not expect Virgin to survive.


Why would anyone do something so stupid? My guess is they got a “confidential” tip that VB was going under. Who would say such a thing? Who benefits?
I don't think point 3 would be entirely correct. If W.A need more services, anyone that can provide them will. It is unfortunate but PH do have the upper hand here, VA need a place to operate out of and I don't see any major player near PH airport.

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Old 24th Apr 2020, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Sunfish

Why would anyone do something so stupid? My guess is they got a “confidential” tip that VB was going under.
Or maybe they just follow the news and noticed that Virgin have gone into administration with debts of around $7 billion? I completely agree with your points 1-4, though.
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Old 24th Apr 2020, 23:59
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No need to fabricate “ dirty trick “ conspiracy theories.
I remember when Compass went bust. First to know were the refuelers who started demanding cash.
Then followed the yellow sticker on the nose-gear putting a lien on the aircraft.
Perth Airport has a history of clumsy disputes with tenants.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
I hope Perth airport desists by Anzac day morning. Their behaviour is the type that brings on a bankruptcy. It also suggests QF dirty tricks to me. If Virgin were flying to Perth, they won’t from now on.
Except, Qantas has already come out against Perth Airport's tactics.

'Even by Perth Airport’s standards, this is extraordinary behaviour,' Qantas said in a statement on Friday.

'Protecting your interests is one thing but parking a bulldozer in front of an aircraft while saying you’re "working to secure an agreement’ is ridiculous.

'It’s no way to treat a customer of 20 years. This kind of action is deeply worrying for all users of Perth Airport.'
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 00:36
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Put on a shuttle Bus & fly to Busselton until they pull their heads in!
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 01:30
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
It also suggests QF dirty tricks to me.
I have no evidence for my assertion about QF dirty tricks.
Your escalating, absurd, vitriolic rants against Qantas are getting out of hand Sunfish. You might feel like a very clever industry observer but your posts relating to QF have more in common with a lunatic yelling at the sky.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 02:20
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Kevin Brown Pert Airport CEO must go

Originally Posted by regional_flyer
Except, Qantas has already come out against Perth Airport's tactics.

'Even by Perth Airport’s standards, this is extraordinary behaviour,' Qantas said in a statement on Friday.

'Protecting your interests is one thing but parking a bulldozer in front of an aircraft while saying you’re "working to secure an agreement’ is ridiculous.

'It’s no way to treat a customer of 20 years. This kind of action is deeply worrying for all users of Perth Airport.'
If the Perth Airport Board had any decency, which is unlikely, they would punt the bald foolish Scottish CEO effective immediately. Why? Well apart from the obvious - he is a ****** and an antognist with no thought about others, it doesn’t well serve the reputation of Perth airport in general or Western Australia. The weakling used his lapdog Deb Blaskett to do the dirty work too. As much as I despise Joyce, I hope QF stretch out their fees and charges payments to the Perth airport corporation for as long as possible!
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 05:23
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@Sunfish. Perth airport don't give a stuff about any of your points. If they did, this wouldn't even think of doing this.

More importantly, this is nothing but an attention seeking publicity stunt.

If they were serious about VA debt, they would be blocking the VARA FIFO flights, not some abandoned mainline hull.

Now if they did do that, they would seriously get in the **** with the government and the mining council.

Hence, why they did not.

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 05:39
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I have a lot of sympathy for VA mates who are ex-Ansett and already been through this once and are now facing unemployment again.
Same with the newer lot who joined an established airline and thought they had a career for as long as they wanted it.
But the ones who were there with Branson in 2000 and 2001, be they pilot or ground staff, laughing and cheering and screaming at the imminent collapse of Ansett and the thousands of job losses get no sympathy whatsoever. You frothed at the opportunity to further your own cause at the expense of people who'd been working in a 65yo airline and now it looks like happening to you.
That niggly pain you're feeling is karma biting you squarely on the arse. Learn from it.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 06:24
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Virgins salute to Ansett in Brisbane

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I have a lot of sympathy for VA mates who are ex-Ansett and already been through this once and are now facing unemployment again.
Same with the newer lot who joined an established airline and thought they had a career for as long as they wanted it.
But the ones who were there with Branson in 2000 and 2001, be they pilot or ground staff, laughing and cheering and screaming at the imminent collapse of Ansett and the thousands of job losses get no sympathy whatsoever. You frothed at the opportunity to further your own cause at the expense of people who'd been working in a 65yo airline and now it looks like happening to you.
That niggly pain you're feeling is karma biting you squarely on the arse. Learn from it.
I was working in a Consultative role on the day that Ansett’s last Brisbane domestic flight pulled into the Brisbane domestic terminal. From memory it was onto Bay 39 or 40. The then Virgin Blue had aircraft on the adjacent satellite standoff bays, so the AN plane taxiied by quite close. Virgin ramp staff could be seen waving at the aircraft AND giving it the finger and laughing. AN staff unloaded their aircraft and VB staff drove nearbye on their tugs and were again laughing and giving the AN ground staff the finger. I will not only never forget that, but I was absolutely shocked and disgusted. Ansett, although financially failing, always offered superb service and looked and acted professional. The Virgin reaction was unbelievably disgusting. I am glad they eventually grew up somewhat and can only hope that none of their people received a return serve the day they went into Administration. It’s just not cricket.



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Old 25th Apr 2020, 06:38
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377
I was working in a Consultative role on the day that Ansett’s last Brisbane domestic flight pulled into the Brisbane domestic terminal. From memory it was onto Bay 39 or 40. The then Virgin Blue had aircraft on the adjacent satellite standoff bays, so the AN plane taxiied by quite close. Virgin ramp staff could be seen waving at the aircraft AND giving it the finger and laughing. AN staff unloaded their aircraft and VB staff drove nearbye on their tugs and were again laughing and giving the AN ground staff the finger. I will not only never forget that, but I was absolutely shocked and disgusted. Ansett, although financially failing, always offered superb service and looked and acted professional. The Virgin reaction was unbelievably disgusting. I am glad they eventually grew up somewhat and can only hope that none of their people received a return serve the day they went into Administration. It’s just not cricket.

The Virgin reaction? Only a bitter old fool would think the actions of some were the feelings of all. Tuck it in pal.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 06:52
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The Virgin reaction? Only a bitter old fool would think the actions of some were the feelings of all. Tuck it in pal.
Emotive statement by you, muppet. I never blamed the entire airline for those actions on that day. Harden up princess.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:03
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Beer Baron:
Your escalating, absurd, vitriolic rants against Qantas are getting out of hand Sunfish. You might feel like a very clever industry observer but your posts relating to QF have more in common with a lunatic yelling at the sky.


Who do you work for? Qantas by any chance? Why do you think ScoMo appointed Nick Moore to ride shotgun for the Virgin administrators?

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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:19
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But here’s the thing Sunfish . You’re not addressing the issue . Why do you make unsubstantiated claims , that will certainly be proved wrong , for no other purpose than to continue your vendetta against QF ? Its unhinged . It contributes nothing . You don’t have a dog in the fight other than a foaming at the mouth sense of grievance. Why do you do it ?
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 09:52
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George, I have made it quite clear that my animus with Qantas is economic. Foreign investment is critical to Australia. Every study of inbound foreign investment behaviour demonstrates that direct international flights to potential investment locations is a critical factor in deciding where the investment is made.

‘’I know for a fact that the Qantas practice of “hubbing most international flights out of Sydney during the 1970’sand 1980’s at least skewed foreign investment, principally in banking and IT disproportionately to NSW. It was deliberate and it cost QLD,VIC,SA a fortune in lost investment. The bias towards Sydney is NOT the behaviour of a business that claims to be a national airline, especially at the time it was taxpayer owned.

As for Qantas staff and operations, I have most always been delighted by their professionalism and training...most of the time. I wish all of them well. I probably did YMEL,YSYD,LHR at least six times during the 70’s and 80’s since I had British family to visit. The QF staff were awesome, not so being dragged to Sydney after 20 + hours from LHR, and having to wait for three+ hours while the aircraft was cleaned and refurbished before boarding for the flight to Melbourne. What QF was effectively doing was ensuring Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide were four hours further from New York and London than Sydney.

I am also not a fan of the previous managements failed attempt to steal, sorry, take over, the airline as well as its horrible treatment of its staff, particularly its engineers.

And you know what? Left to its own devices Qantas will do it again and strangle economic development outside NSW. THAT is why Brisbane Melbourne and Sydney state governments are prepared to fight to get Virgin, not the airline jobs..

‘’To put it another way, Qantas is not acting in the nations best interests, therefore it should not be accorded the status of a national airline and the associated political clout.

‘’Do I make myself clear?
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 10:09
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‘’Do I make myself clear?
Nope. How many times did Qantas reject your application?
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 10:40
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Air New Zealand overwhelmingly operate international flights out of Auckland. British Airways operate predominantly out of London. Air France out of Paris. Etc, etc.

Do the residents of Christchurch, Wellington, Manchester, Liverpool, Marseille, Lyon, etc, etc, bitch and moan that their national carrier is trying to screw then over??

It’s the hub and spoke airline model used by countless carriers across the globe, most people understand the economic imperative of it.

As you proudly boast of not having flown Qantas internationally for a decade you may not be aware that you can get from Melbourne or Brisbane to London, New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong or LA in just as few stops as the lucky residents of Sydney.
I can’t imagine why Qantas offer these services when their guiding principal of business is to crush the Victorian and Queensland economies.
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Old 25th Apr 2020, 11:08
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Beer Baron, I have a long memory. The problem is that post covid19 we may be stuck with a QF virtual monopoly like we had in the 60’s to the 80’s. Post Covid, Australia will again need foreign investment. Unless government or market action is taken, Sydney will steal a disproportionate share.

‘’If we are talking non stop flights for example, they had better not all terminate In ******* sydeny.(sic).
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