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Old 21st Oct 2019, 18:32
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N.B. - The top two photos are the ‘modern Boeing’ 787. The bottom two are the 777 under the ‘real Boeing’ management.
I think you'll find most of the difference in crew rest between the 777 and the 787 is due to the rather significant difference it fuselage diameter - i.e. there is simply much more room in the overhead of a 777 - rather than what management team was in charge.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 19:53
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Here’s Why Qantas’ Project Sunrise Likely Won’t Take Off Until 2023

As the dust settles on the weekend’s Project Sunrise research flight from New York to Sydney, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce is looking at a four-year time frame to get the flights up and running. There was some earlier optimism the flights would begin by late 2021, but Mr Joyce now says the Project Sunrise flights most likely won’t take off until 2023.

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Old 21st Oct 2019, 20:36
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post

Two different models and hardly a third world problem? I’ve never heard of a pilot not bidding to the 78 because of the crew rest. The flight time for Sunrise is about 2 hours give or take longer than Perth London. What’s the big deal? I recall the same chicken littles running around prior to the vote incorporating 787 award conditions yet it was voted up by about 80%. Sure details will be needed to be weeded out but Sunrise could be the advantage we need that’s been usurped by subsidised ME3. That could only be a good thing.
The rubber stampers for the race to the bottom. Yes 80% voted it up and all those that I talk to say they were conned and wouldn’t do it again. A 35% increase in productivity and now they want the same again, a great deal.

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Old 21st Oct 2019, 21:23
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Yes 80% voted it up and all those that I talk to say they were conned and wouldn’t do it again. A 35% increase in productivity and now they want the same again, a great deal.
Yeah although I don't necessarily disagree with that result based on the info we had at the time, I think most pilots voted for it in good faith believing (naively in hindsight) that Qantas would see genuine intent from the pilots and reciprocate with genuine intent of their own. I wouldn't be placing bets on the same result this time around. Not from the general mood I've seen at the moment - that ship has sailed. The common vibe is "we gave up a lot just to get the 787 and now they basically want the same again on top of the existing concessions?"

But I'm sensing with all the internal BS coming from certain management sycophants right now that they're actually spoiling for a fight to align us more with LCC conditions, and they seem to be greasing up the media in preparation. I'm just psyching myself up for more "I'm really one of the lower paid workers compared to the pilots" tripe from the CEO, just like he did during the last dispute.
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 22:11
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But the flight has attracted criticism for being all spin over scientific substance. While historical, 40 passengers (all in business class) and 10 crew looked to be engaged in a series of lite science experiments that were more about generating PR and quantifiable results. Pictures emerged of the passengers doing expansive stretching exercises in an empty economy cabin.
All for an off the shelf aircraft that won't be delivered for four more years, if they actually buy it.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 00:17
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Soooo..did qantas charge anyone on the flight for the seat?

if not, it wasn’t the worlds longest “commercial” flight, it was a ferry with a bunch of people going for a jolly, and kudos to the QF PR team for making something out of nothing.

virgin did 19-20-21 hr ferries in the 330 Toulouse to Melbourne years ago, so no great feat by qantas...and virgin did it without special catering or brain monitors - shitloads of foie gras but nothing super special.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 02:48
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But I'm sensing with all the internal BS coming from certain management sycophants right now that they're actually spoiling for a fight to align us more with LCC conditions, and they seem to be greasing up the media in preparation. I'm just psyching myself up for more "I'm really one of the lower paid workers compared to the pilots" tripe from the CEO, just like he did during the last dispute.
Quite possible the whole flight is not commercially viable and Joyce will blame the pilots because they won't cave in. He will then sail off into the sunset claiming that he was unable to buy new aircraft because of the pilots and throw the world's biggest hospital pass to the next CEO who will have to rebuild the company and suffer a massive CAPEX program that should have started years ago.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 03:54
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I’ve never heard of a pilot not bidding to the 78 because of the crew rest.
You have now🤓 No way I’m going to an aircraft flying that long that doesn’t have proper individual crew rest areas. The best part about going off for a break is relieving the cramps and farting to your hearts content, all in the privacy of your own room. That curtain just wouldn’t cut it. 20 hours of gas has to go somewhere, nothing worse than sitting up the front with crook guts. The 380 was great, so too the 330. Mind you, now on the maggot I’ve learnt to just pass wind as the need arises and blame the meals cooking in the forward galley, but probably not very gentlemanly on the 787 if you get my drift. So no deal for me😀
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 04:17
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Originally Posted by brown_hornet View Post


You have now🤓 No way I’m going to an aircraft flying that long that doesn’t have proper individual crew rest areas. The best part about going off for a break is relieving the cramps and farting to your hearts content, all in the privacy of your own room. That curtain just wouldn’t cut it. 20 hours of gas has to go somewhere, nothing worse than sitting up the front with crook guts. The 380 was great, so too the 330. Mind you, now on the maggot I’ve learnt to just pass wind as the need arises and blame the meals cooking in the forward galley, but probably not very gentlemanly on the 787 if you get my drift. So no deal for me😀
Qantas : We're sorry to announce but it will not be going ahead as pilots are unable to fart conveniently.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 04:27
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Qantas : We're sorry to announce but it will not be going ahead as pilots are unable to fart conveniently.
Nah. Easily solved. Management will just include a few pairs of these in the new pay contract.

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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 11:42
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Or, a seat to eat dinner, watch a movie and a place to stretch out ?
Life's tough at work in the pointy end.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:33
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Why Little Napoleon fiddles

Busy scrap booking the experience, Little Napoleon is enjoying the warm glow of adulation from all the hack journalists on the "research flight"

Aside from that, it was truly a unique experience. After all, it’s not every flight that you see an airline CEO doing calisthenics in his pajamas.
Meanwhile just a few hours away, once again Air New Zealand actually get on with it...

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...23-p533bl.html
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 01:51
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post

Meanwhile just a few hours away, once again Air New Zealand actually get on with it...

https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...23-p533bl.html
Lets just hope we have enough engines with more than 120 EDTO to make it happen....

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 04:35
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Bit harsh Rated, would QF not be getting on with it if there was already an aircraft capable? Yes me tinks.

ANZ are in a great spot at being able to start with current metal or carbon, for Aussies it’s still one stop to the apple not direct.

When the Sunrise aircraft are capable I’m sure the getting on with it part will be complete, what is it now that they are doing in regards to this ULH which is not getting on with it?

In regards to the rest of the fleet NFI, yes the 73’s will need replacing, the 330’s, etc, as is said this is the problem or is the order of a gazillion busses the SH solution?

Just spinning positive light where all negative doom and gloom is pushed.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 06:09
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ANZ are in a great spot at being able to start with current metal or carbon, for Aussies it’s still one stop to the apple not direct.
On Qantas it will still be one stop for the whole country except Sydney anyway. The added bonus is the connection is not through SYD.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:13
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Soooo..did qantas charge anyone on the flight for the seat?
Yes. There were commercial customers originally booked JFK - MEL via LAX offered to transfer to this flight to participate in the ‘research’.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 07:38
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Fortunately, and (just like the share options!) in the nick of time, it seems a solution may be coming to fruition. Some might pooh-pooh the idea but all QF have to do is push any symptoms out beyond retirement age and job done! If you can engineer the oil price and share options, a cure for long term circadian rhythm disruption is clearly a walk in the park! Could I love him (her??) more???? Elaine does care for crew - it's obvious to me now*.

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 08:59
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Originally Posted by V-Jet View Post
Fortunately, and (just like the share options!) in the nick of time, it seems a solution may be coming to fruition. Some might pooh-pooh the idea but all QF have to do is push any symptoms out beyond retirement age and job done! If you can engineer the oil price and share options, a cure for long term circadian rhythm disruption is clearly a walk in the park! Could I love him (her??) more???? Elaine does care for crew - it's obvious to me now*.



* I'm enjoying a lovely drink of Victory Gin at the Chestnut Tree Cafe at The Street, QCC. I love Elaine and Elaine loves me. I've found peace at last.

To save those with a more modern taste in literature searching endlessly, I post the following:
Brilliant....

Table for one Winston?
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 18:31
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If this is true then it’s a massive issue for Qantas!
Or perhaps a non-issue, if they can get exemptions this easily for the next couple flights it does suggest that CASA is already on their side.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Life's tough at work in the pointy end.
Actually, it’s called rest. Governed by regulation, and enabling the flight to be operated legally. It’s not meant to be tough. That’s why it’s called ‘rest’. And, it’s not done in the pointy end.

Other than that, your post was very clever.
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