Ozzies can’t fly when it’s windy?
i find it odd that non flight crew /ATC can tell the operating crew what limits they are able to fly. They used to try to tell us how much fuel to carry in to Sydney. These are all PIC decisions no one else.
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So we are back to the start of this conversation, Ozzies can’t fly when it’s windy. Or they can’t be trusted to land in a 21 knots crosswind.
A clear case of the dog wagging the tail, but if it’s fair dinkum, carry on with your wind straight down the runway landings.
20 kts is a joke.
A clear case of the dog wagging the tail, but if it’s fair dinkum, carry on with your wind straight down the runway landings.
20 kts is a joke.
PS. I forgot to mention: you're also a spelling champoin. Your NOTAMS would be poetry.
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Oh mate... I think I can speak for everyone on this thread when I say that we are all dying to be you at this stage. PLEEEASE! Please, have some mercy for the rest of us and just stop being so remarkably awesome for a second, can't you see how miserable you make us all feel? I mean, that's you, the textbook picture of the confident, high triple digit IQ, trustworthy and humble pilot everyone aspires to be and, on top, you nail all your crosswind landings. I'm sure your crosswind takeoffs are just as flawless too. Man, you should be an astronaut headed for Mars, not a mere pilot moving holiday-goers around. You are so absurdly legendary bright that you probably never need runway lighting. This is just too much, I thought you were a myth yet here you are, in the flesh. You deserve so much praise and recognition that your ATPL should be renamed Awesome Transport Pilot Licence. Actually I think you might well be the second-best pilot in the whole world mate. Keep at it like you are, your stick and rudder skills make us all dream!
PS. I forgot to mention: you're also a spelling champoin. Your NOTAMS would be poetry.
PS. I forgot to mention: you're also a spelling champoin. Your NOTAMS would be poetry.
This thread is not about me, but I’m confident in my abilities. 20 kts is not even a briefing item. The 737 can autoland in a crab with 20 kts crosswind.
What do you guys do when you only have one runway and 35 kts crosswind? Divert?
To land or not in a crosswind should be the commanders decision. Not the airport.
Jesus christ you’re an idiot. If there’s no other runway as an option then of course they can land on it. Have you read anything about what has been written? It’s not up to the pilots to nominate the duty runway.
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Yes, I get it, I’m just amazed that you as pilots and your airlines accept cancellations because of a light crosswind.
I have never seen this in any other areas of the world. Any limitations I have come from my airline and not ATC and then we are talking 40 kts or more at specific airports.
Let the pilots decide. Or run departures to the south and landings to the west.
Maybe it’s too much work for your ATC?
At least cessnapete understands what I’m saying. There is hope!
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Why not go back to all over grass airfields then MAS can land into wind every time???
It’s a funny time we are living in when we allow ourselves to be wound up by someone we have never met, commenting on something we have little control over. The comments may come from someone who we would quickly identify as a time waster in a face to face conversation yet we allocate brain space/ emotional energy to it online. Fly the plane, collect the dollars, buy your family a nice house in which to go through all of life’s normal ups and downs. Hopefully the kids will visit when you’re old. Don’t worry too much about an anonymous comment on a social media platform.
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It’s a funny time we are living in when we allow ourselves to be wound up by someone we have never met, commenting on something we have little control over. The comments may come from someone who we would quickly identify as a time waster in a face to face conversation yet we allocate brain space/ emotional energy to it online. Fly the plane, collect the dollars, buy your family a nice house in which to go through all of life’s normal ups and downs. Hopefully the kids will visit when you’re old. Don’t worry too much about an anonymous comment on a social media platform.
You just wasted time not discussing the issues we are talking about. I agree 100%, don’t discuss me. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. It’s a waste of time.
Chris, I’m not the one ATC don’t trust to land in a 21 kts crosswind. It’s you and your friends.
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Try flying into NZWN when the wind is 340/40G50 V260-010
Even QF pilots have been known to be successful!
Even QF pilots have been known to be successful!
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Wind down the runway is not the most difficult part of the job.
You Ozzies are probably so used to being told what you can and can’t do by your ATC that you think this is the way it should be.
Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourselves and tell them who is in charge of the aircraft? And what limitations YOU have?
Or maybe not, you are too busy attacking those who point out the system is broken.
That’s probably because your Kiwi ATC let them land.
Wind down the runway is not the most difficult part of the job.
You Ozzies are probably so used to being told what you can and can’t do by your ATC that you think this is the way it should be.
Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourselves and tell them who is in charge of the aircraft? And what limitations YOU have?
Or maybe not, you are too busy attacking those who point out the system is broken.
Indeed, a good friend of mine has just completed a B737 Classic type rating in US, and the problems of stalling out a stab, and how to handle it were pretty much the same as my first B707 endorsement, or my UK CAA and FAA type rating flight test for a B707/720 many years ago ---- some "issues" are not new ---- and in ALL cases, the stab trim cutout switches are in exactly the same place.
[Long Silence]
He doesn’t know ? That makes sense. Since Boeing didn’t tell anyone else either. Including pilots trained on the MAX.
Ask him what he’d do if the airspeed showed a stall, he then lost airspeed indications, the stick shaker went off, and the stab trim tried to drive the nose repeatedly into the ground. All at the same time. Whilst he has climb power set and he was at 1500 AGL. All of this with only a single piece of gibberish written by management, provided on an iPad to inform him. Not the months of information we have now, written in the blood of 350 dead passengers and crew.
[time for honest reflection. Not internet bravado and recalling the good old days of the 707]
Read the reports of the well informed test pilots that crashed the MAX repeatedly under the same conditions. In a simulator. When they knew what was going to happen.
Fkin armchair warriors.
(Yes, I’ve flown the Classic, the NG and the MAX)
Excellent post JPJP
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What you don’t seem to understand, because you’re too busy casting slurs at other pilots and basking in the glow of your own perceived superiority, is this: ATC nominates the duty runway (not just here, but everywhere). If we feel the need, we’ll require a different runway - which happens not infrequently (contrary to what you claim above). The thing is, that will usually impose an additional delay due to not fitting in with the overall traffic flow. So you can turn up and demonstrate your awesomeness by requiring a runway with 35 kt crosswind (or maybe a 10 kt tailwind to give you a shorter taxi to the gate?), and your 30 minutes holding is now 60 minutes. The rest of us will try to operate in the framework we’re given, be less awesome than you, and arrive at the gate long before you do.
You can’t see the forest for all the trees!
This would not be acceptable anywhere else, but you all think this is the way it should be.
I am curious how passing through Sydney airport you were able to assess the crosswind was less than 17kt until midday?
It's not really a discussion, people have told you the Australian rules, we don't get to pick and choose which ones to follow. Are they ideal? I think plenty would argue they aren't but they are what we have.
It's not really a discussion, people have told you the Australian rules, we don't get to pick and choose which ones to follow. Are they ideal? I think plenty would argue they aren't but they are what we have.