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Old 20th Feb 2020, 03:06
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
We’ll be lucky to get 3% at this rate
He said in his speech that 3% is the offer & nothing will change that including any amount of industrial action.
Why are u doubting the spoken facts🙄
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 04:26
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Originally Posted by Telfer86 View Post
Why an earth does it take you guys so long to negotiate a pretty basic contract ?
Gee, I wonder. Must you comment on things you're clearly ignorant of?

We'd all have loved for the EBA to be done and dusted within a few weeks of the commencement of negotiations, over a year ago. However one party is incentivised to drag out the process for as long as possible.

Can you guess which?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 05:03
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
We’ll be lucky to get 3% at this rate
Haha, better sign any EA now hey? You come across as a glass half empty person.

It was always going to take time, and the company bis doing everything it can you see a stage and build a case to pay even more below industry standard.

Settle down and call the union.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 05:10
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC View Post
Haha, better sign any EA now hey? You come across as a glass half empty person.

It was always going to take time, and the company bis doing everything it can you see a stage and build a case to pay even more below industry standard.

Settle down and call the union.
Impossible to negotiate with people who are always right & happy to tell you that fact.
These people forget where they came from,have no idea of what the real world consists of & when the bubble bursts cry poor.
They love to tell you how good they are & expect to be believed,unfortunately besides themselves there are some that listen.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 07:35
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Telfer86 - give yourself an uppercut. You clearly need it!
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Paddleboat View Post
The company has no credibility with the pilot group, what they say is irrelevant. How are we going to solve this problem? Same way Ryanair solved their problem from an equally belligerent management group. For all their bluster, threats and insults of their own pilots in the media (sound familiar?), there is a financial reality to what we can do that ultimately cannot be ignored.
Humble pie Paddleboat and Sunfish?

3% is now looking very generous.


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Old 16th Mar 2020, 09:51
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Humble pie Paddleboat and Sunfish?

3% is now looking very generous.
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Haha! What an incredibly naive statement.
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 10:19
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Camel, it will be lucky if the airline survives. Both sides will need to compromise. Your comment is utterly irrelevant in view of Coronavirus.
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
Camel, it will be lucky if the airline survives.
All that money wasted through the pointless PIA could have gone toward keeping a few more people in jobs...........
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 10:29
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Is this twit for real? Are you accusing the pilots of causing coronavirus now?

I know they hate pilots in head office, but this clown takes the cake.
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 10:46
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Post two above you are talking about the "stand down" clause in all of the pilot agreements , contracts , arrangements etc

They don't even need to talk about redundancy at this point in time (& all the potential cost & complication there ie: fleet or DOJ etc) , just activate the stand down for however long they see fit
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 22:12
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Stand downs will have to occur with the Qantas Group if the reports of an 80% reduction in flying are true. This will also affect most of JQ's international operation.

I would imagine this would mean leave with pay until all accrued leave is exhausted, then leave without pay until a return to a more normal flying schedule. This could be a nightmare with simulator and aircraft currency issues as operations are ramped up again. I would not envisage any upside action for at least 2 - 3 months (China seems to be emerging on the other side of COVID19 and that is almost 3 months from the first reports).

Not a happy time.
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 23:18
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We be f#$ked, is my assessment. There will not be a return to any sort of normality within 6 months and then it will take months if not years for the airline industry to recover back to its former size. An economist on the radio this morning said the airline and tourism industry was like an oven, once it cools you can’t just have instant heat back, even if the demand is there it takes time to be able to cook again.
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Old 16th Mar 2020, 23:37
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"There will not be a return to any sort of normality within 6 months and then it will take months if not years for the airline industry to recover back to its former size."

This black swan is the event that will see a drastic decrease in the debt bubble lifestyle we have been used to.

The industry will return at some point, but it will be a fraction of its former self for a very long time.


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