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Old 17th Dec 2019, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
Wow, management trolling at it's worst.
Negotiations are a two way street, you give a little, I give a little. Every EA negotiations with the QF Group is now "cost neutral"..in other words, as we have seen with QF SH and Jetstar, is that the Company seeks a further eroding of T&C's, seeking (or gouging) productivity increase whilst giving the respective pilots...nothing.

After seeing the prolific waste of Capital Expenditure in Red Q, Jetstar Asia (how much profit? What about ROIC?), Jetstar Pacific, Jetstar Japan, Jetstar Hong Kong (northwards of $400 million, wasn't it?), the grounding of mainline ($250 million plus) we have had enough. Those on the line face the consequences of you cost cutting of front line staff (how is the OTP going? Not well, is it?) whilst management numbers..or should I say, the line for coffee..increases to infinity...
You must think we are stupid to believe in the propaganda, non-core promises and out right lies (300 plus for a Captain) that is generated daily from Coward St. It may work to those on the Koolaid at the Campus, but those in the real world see it for what it is...
Please, keep you trolling off here
....and to the men and women at JQ, best of luck...
Well said, totally agree.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 11:26
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The AIPA Angels appears to have descended on this thread..
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 12:18
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Originally Posted by Paddleboat View Post
I support the idea of scrapping WDO's, as long as its in conjunction with a 5+ hour MDC and reduction in EFA to 60 or better.

Aggravating Captains to prove a point however, not so much.
Really pi$$es me of when they say “I’m helping the company out” aggravates them when I remind them they’re only helping themself not the company.

let’s remove the WDO clause please
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
AIPA, as usual, are not in this fight.
Thats the point - for a union not in the fight (even though they could be, and chose not to), there's a hell of a lot of clearly AIPA members dishing out advice about how AFAP are wrong and its going to cost you your job etc..

The regular Qantas/Jetstar Angels don't even have to lift a finger - they just let the AIPA QF group pilots doom and gloom those taking Protected action.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 22:59
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Really? Where? You guys are a bunch of conspiratorial lunatics. Other than AIPA advising it's members not to do something stupid that could cost them their career, I've heard nothing else even remotely concerning the JQ PIA. I doubt they even care. I don't. I wish you good luck, but quite frankly, I don't care.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:03
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Really? Where?
Refer to post #410

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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:08
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Originally Posted by dashate View Post
Refer to post #411
are you f#$kin serious? Is this PIA about AIPA?
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:12
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post
I’m over the whole thing. We threatened PIA to try and get the company to negotiate properly (like we did successfully in 2015) and it has had the opposite effect. What are we fighting for exactly now? The union has agreed to 3%. We’re essentially arguing over the costing of a minimum daily credit. I’d sign the current EBA plus 3 per cent increases tomorrow just to have this disaster behind me.
Why oh why on Earth would you guys be discussing this on a public forum? I mean all of it, the pros and cons. Having a crack at the Company is one thing but the other stuff being discussed seems illogical and inadvisable.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:36
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I think we can safely assume that not everyone on here is who they are claiming to be. The rhetoric very coherent and robust amongst the individuals that count. Good luck to the men and women of JQ.
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Old 17th Dec 2019, 23:48
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Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE View Post


thats actually pretty funny, credit where credit is due!

But, im just a line pilot looking at this whole situation getting out of control. If I thought PIA would get us a decent pay rise and increase in lifestyle, I’d be all for it. But the way things have played out I just can’t see that happening. I hope I’m wrong!
The management trolls are back!
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 04:34
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Management trolls, Qantas Angels, AIPA Angels.....listen to yourselves. Your like children thinking there is a bogey man in the dark. LOL.

Dont think that taking PIA is free. There is a price to be paid by both the company and the employees.

Take the emotion out of this. Sideline the fools who just want to fight. Your professionals so behave like professionals. Think logically and find the middle ground.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 04:40
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Would someone please clarify this for me?
It seems that you fellas in JQ have AIPA members, and AFAP members.
Further, the AIPA blokes are not supporting PIA.
The AFAP fellows are, obviously, going it alone.
If this brings management back to the table for continued and sensible discussion, then the AIPA cats benefit also, but with no actual input, action or risk.
What have I missed here?
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 04:52
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Take the emotion out of this. Sideline the fools who just want to fight. Your professionals so behave like professionals. Think logically and find the middle ground.
oh please side line the fools. Some of the stuff being posted in another app is nothing but laughable the way they’re carrying on!
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:10
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Management trolls, Qantas Angels, AIPA Angels.....listen to yourselves. Your like children thinking there is a bogey man in the dark. LOL.
Needlessly insulting us isn't helping you assume the moral high ground you so clearly believe you hold.

Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Dont think that taking PIA is free.
Nobody here has made any such claim.

Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Take the emotion out of this. Sideline the fools who just want to fight. Your professionals so behave like professionals. Think logically and find the middle ground.
This is frustrating. Its been explained to you by myself and others, at length and in detail why this currently isn't possible. You've chosen to entirely ignore and evade these responses in order to assert once again what is an obvious fallacy. Your statement reads as nothing more than a self serving plea by a QF manager for total acquiescence.

I wonder if you appreciate the irony of your position. You criticize us for failing to find the middle ground with the company (whilst of course never criticizing the company for the same), whilst dismissing or ignoring any reasoned argument that counters your position, digging your heals in precisely as you accuse the pilot body of doing. Looking at your post history, it clear this isn't new behavior.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:13
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CamelSquadron:
Take the emotion out of this. Sideline the fools who just want to fight. Your professionals so behave like professionals. Think logically and find the middle ground.
There it is! The call of the Qantas troll! “Be professional”! Meaning don’t fight for your future because it’s unprofessional. Says who? Ever met a poor surgeon or Judge? You are engaged in a contest, not a beauty pageant!
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:26
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Originally Posted by CamelSquadron View Post
Take the emotion out of this. Sideline the fools who just want to fight. Your professionals so behave like professionals. Think logically and find the middle ground.
Comments like this display who the real fools are. It has been explained many times that there is no middle ground with AJ. Its his way or the highway, 3% or nothing. Kudos to the AFAP and the majority of Jetstar pilots for taking a stand. Its the only way that change is going to be brought about unfortunately. Think Hong Kong
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:39
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“Your like children thinking there is a bogey man in the dark. LOL.”

“Your professionals so behave like professionals.”

If You’re such a professional CamelToe, why not spell like You’re a professional.



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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:50
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
CamelSquadron:

There it is! The call of the Qantas troll! “Be professional”! Meaning don’t fight for your future because it’s unprofessional. Says who? Ever met a poor surgeon or Judge? You are engaged in a contest, not a beauty pageant!
You are jumping at shadows in the dark. "Behave like a professional" means your smart and intelligent so think logically and find that middle ground. Dont behave like a laborer on a construction site and get all emotional about it.

No one said it was going to be easy to find the middle ground. But you need to find it otherwise you wont get a deal done and everyone is going to be a loser.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 05:58
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle View Post
“Your like children thinking there is a bogey man in the dark. LOL.”

“Your professionals so behave like professionals.”

If You’re such a professional CamelToe, why not spell like You’re a professional.
Sorry for butchering the english language.

Good to see that you can focus on the immaterial details rather than the important stuff.
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Old 18th Dec 2019, 06:30
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So if you don’t echo the opinion of others you’re labelled a management troll?

The only way I could refute that would be to break the anonymity of this forum, which of course I will not.

People have different opinions on this situation. You don’t have to agree with them, but you definitely don’t need to vilify them.
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