Originally Posted by
CamelSquadron
The real question is, how bad are the negotiators that they have allowed the situation to deteriorate to this level? It really is a damming for the Union negotiators. A good negotiator would have found the middle ground without the need for PIA. How bad are the negotiators that they have set the expectations of a deal on their side at a level that cannot be achieved?
Terrible terrible negotiation skills.
No one is going to win here.
Dont let commonsense get in the way of your emotional outbursts.....lol
How you arrived at this conclusion is a mystery to me. It is extraordinary to arrive at PIA without having even been made an offer by the company. The fact this situation has materialized , and one supported by > 93% of the pilot body should speak volumes.
The negotiators can't be held to account when the company from the outset have simply drawn a line in the sand at a negligible figure that would leave the most productive and hard working narrowbody pilots in the nation and country mile behind their peers. Absolutely no opportunity for negotiation was entertained. Simply 'take it or leave it'. That isn't a failure of negotiation, but a refusal to capitulate and one that the pilot body has no intention of making.
Originally Posted by QF Management
How bad are the negotiators that they have set the expectations of a deal on their side at a level that cannot be achieved?
That argument cuts both ways. Tell me, do you believe that management or the union have indicated more room for negotiation? Because the companies indications have been crystal clear from the beginning.
Put another way, when you have to finance a media campaign to target a group with repeated, demonstrable untruths in an effort to drive public sentiment, are you really negotiating in good faith? I put it to you that you'd have more luck negotiating navigation with a lighthouse.