Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA
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Q. Mr Carmody, what have you got to say about all of the CASA shenanigans? Mr Carmody? Mr Carmody? Mr Carmody?
A. Umm Madam Chair, Mr Carmody (like many before him) has taken his 40 years of public service Super and his huge retirement slush fund and he has skipped out the door ma’am. The last we saw of him he was muttering something about tautology and having ear reduction surgery in Mexico. However we believe he is in Cancun as he was spotted doing naked cartwheels on dining tables while downing Mojito’s. Carmody out.....
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Coorespondence to Ombudsman re direction to terminate.
19/01/21
Dear Mark, (Complaint Resolution Officer of the Commonwealth Ombudsman Office.)
In this correspondence, I am referring only to the direction from the CASA Region Manager, to my Employer at the time, that my continuing employment as the Head of Operations for APTA was “no longer tenable”, and my subsequent termination from that employment.
I have received your advice that you feel, "further investigation of the complaint is not warranted. " I also respectfully acknowledge the matter is not closed and you have left me the opportunity to respond.
I will write to you on other matters under investigation separately, after I can gain some clarity on this matter first.
I appreciate that these are complicated matters, and I am seeking the opportunity to ensure I have adequately presented my perspective before a final outcome is determined by your Office, regarding the direction from a Region Manager at CASA to my Employer, that my position was 'no longer tenable'.
You are aware of the background to this matter, and that CASA had reversed my business's approval to operate with no prior notice and placed significant restrictions on its ability to trade. After 8 months with those restrictions placed on the business, and my parents having already contributed $300,000 to meet the salaries for my staff in order to avoid redundancies, I could ask them for no more financial support.
I could not meet my upcoming payroll obligations and the business was sold under duress, for 5% of its agreed value due to the CASA trade restrictions, and limited date of approval that CASA had placed on the business. A condition of the transfer of the business to the new owners was that I remain with the Organisation, as an Employee. I can supply correspondence in support each of those contentions.
Could I respectfully put forward the following considerations as my final submission before you make a finding on this specific matter.
Consideration One- Power imbalance
There was a significant power imbalance between the sender of the correspondence i.e. CASA, and the recipient of that correspondence i.e. the new owners of APTA.CASA management was in a position to exert significant influence over the new owners of APTA, and both sides would have been fully aware of that power imbalance.
You will recall that CASA had issued APTA an interim approval for the business to trade only until July 1st, 2019 with no surety of operations after that date. In fact, future operations were significantly in doubt as, after 8 months, the matter was still no closer to being resolved.
The new owners were to take over the business one day prior to the expiration of the business's interim CASA approval, being the last day of the financial year June 30th, 2019.
The new owners were taking a significant risk, and their investment was solely dependent on CASAs' decisions over the coming days and months. There can be no doubt that CASA potentially carried significant influence in any directives or directions that were sent to APTA, and understandably the new owners of APTA would feel somewhat compelled to comply with CASA preferences, directives, and directions, in order to protect their investment. CASA Executive Management were fully aware of the significant influence they exerted.
Consideration Two- The “intent”of the email
The email from the CASA Region Manager to the new owner of APTA was sent at approximately 2.15PM on 27th August 2019 and stated:
“Hi (new owner of APTA), I understand that Mr. Buckley remains as APTA deputy HOO. This is no longer tenable with the comments that Mr. Buckley is making publicly. Please confirm APTA’s intentions in relation to Mr. Buckley as deputy HOO and whether Mr. Buckley is authorized to speak on behalf of APTA. Thanks again, Jason.”
The "intent" of that correspondence is noticeably clear and cannot be disputed. I was terminated slightly over 3 hours later at approximately 5.30 PM, in the presence of an industry colleague.
If that email had NOT been sent, I am fully satisfied, I would not have been terminated from employment at 5.30 PM on 27th August 2019.
The use of the phrase “not tenable” implies that my position as the CASA approved Head of Operations (HOO) was not able to be maintained, justified or defended. The use of that word to an Employer in the private sector from a CASA Regional Manager is significant and carries significant weight.
Consideration Three- The emails in chronological order
CASA claim that they contacted the new owners of APTA later that afternoon to clarify the matter. I find that assertion unlikely, as had that have occurred the termination of my employment would not have occurred a few hours later.I simply do not believe that assertion by CASA, that they clarified the matter on the same day.
The truth is that later that night, in fact at 1.45AM, I wrote to the CASA Region Manager that made the direction to my Employer.
“Dear Jason, May I respectfully request if you make any determination regarding my continuing employment with my current employer, or have any concerns that may have an impact on my families welfare, or my ability to derive an income. that I be involved in that correspondence. Respectfully, Glen”
At approximately 8AM of that morning the Region Manager responded;
“Glen, I acknowledge your email. I have asked the accountable manager (new APTA owner) to clarify whether you continue to operate as Deputy HOO, and whether you are authorised to speak on behalf of APTA.I will leave it to Mr XXXXXXX, as the accountable manager, to communicate his decisions to you. Regards. Jason McHeyzer Region Manager.”
I responded almost immediately with the following correspondence, noting that I had already been terminated and was now unemployed.
“Hi Jason, sorry my inquiry isn’t actually specifically regarding APTA or my role within APTA. I’m trying to plan for my family going forward. I am simply asking for you to consider my reputation when contacting any employers or potential employers. Can you clarify if CASA has concerns about me in a Key Personnel role only? I was about to get my instructor rating active but will change my plans if you are opposed to me having a wider involvement in the industry. I don’t think the question really needs to involve (New Business Owner), because it’s a query about my wider employability. Thankfully, Glen
Understandably I was quite anxious and sent a follow up email at approximately 4PM on Wednesday 28/08, approximately 24 hours after I was terminated, hoping to get a response as soon as practical.
“Hi Jason, just after an acknowledgement of the previous email regarding my wider employability, cheers. Glen”.
Mr McHeyzer responded approximately 1 hour later with the following:
“Hi Glen, I have been in a meeting all day. I acknowledge your email and I am not aware of any concerns in relation to your flight crew licence, instructor privileges or employment in the industry. Regards Jason”
At approximately 5AM the following day, Thursday 29/08/19, I sent the following to Mr McHeyzer. It is important to understand that at this stage Mr McHeyzer most likely has no knowledge that I had seen his email directing my Employer that my employment was untenable as I was not an intended recipient.
Dear Jason, Can you please advise or confirm that during the last 3 days you have not sent any correspondence to any Employer or potential employer that could potentially impact on any current or future employment for myself. Please advise by 5PM today, to assist me with future plans for me and my family. I call on you to provide that, rather than require me to make a request under FOI. Glen.
On Thursday 29th August at approximately 6PM, the CASA Executive Manager Mr Craig Martin inserted himself into the situation with the following email to the new owner of APTA. This is now 48 hours after I have been terminated, and CASA has had the opportunity to craft a response to minimise their liability in this matter.
Dear Mr XXXXXI refer to your email excahange with Jason McHeyzer on Tuesday afternoon 27th August 2019, and in particular to Mr McHeyzers email to you of 2.14PM on that day.I understand that MrMc Heyzer spoke to you in a telephone conversation later in the afternoon of 27 August 2019 to clarify his intentions.
I confirm here that Mr Mc Heyzer sought to ensure that APTA was aware that Mr Buckley was representing his views as the views of APTA. The proprietary or impropriety of this was and is entirely a matter between you and Mr Buckley.
Please be assured CASA has no issue with Mr Buckley being or remaining an employee of APTA, and it is a question for you to decide whether he should be or remain so.Mr Mc Heyzer also sought your advice in relation to Mr Buckley’s role.In the event Mr Buckley, or anyone else for that matter, should be nominated by you as a person to hold a position in APTA for which CASAs approval would be required, we would consider any such nomination fairly, on the merits and according to the applicable requirements at that time, having regard to the relevant considerations.For now, I apologise for any confusion Mr Mc Heyzers email may have created, and I trust his follow up telephone advice of 27 August 2019 coupled with his message clarifies CASAs position.Yours sincerely, Craig”
Consideration Four- Breach of Procedural Fairness/ Administrative Law/ Natural Justice
I had occupied the position of CASA approved Head of Operations for over a decade. If CASA deem that an individual is not a “fit and proper person” to hold the CASA approved position of Head of Operations (HOO), there is a clearly stipulated CASA procedure to be followed and that can be found by accessing the following link to CASAs Enforcement Manual. Enforcement Manual (casa.gov.au) By following these procedures it ensures that obligations placed on CASA by Administrative law/Natural Justice and Procedural Fairness are adhered to. In my case they clearly were not.
Chapter Two outlines CASAs Enforcement Philosophy is and is pertinent to this matter. Of more significance perhaps is the procedural fairness afforded me by Appendix Four where it deals specifically with the "fit and proper" person.
Consideration Five- Direction was not based on safety or compliance considertions.
The direction by the Region Manager to my Employer could not be substantiated on the grounds of safety or regulatory compliance. If the direction was not based on safety and not based on regulatory compliance, then it was highly inappropriate to send such a direction to an Employer. The CASA Employee demonstrated misconduct and can only be assumed to have acted vindictively or vexatiously. The motivation and intent of Mr Mcheyzers email should be considered. It cannot be defended with integrity.
Consideration Six
I do respect that in exceptional circumstances a CASA Officer may be able to directly contact an Employer and direct that one of their employees holding a CASA approved position is not tenable in light of comments that a person is making publicly.
My reasonable expectation is that those comments would have to pose a "grave and imminent risk to aviation safety, i.e. flagrant breaches of safety regulations or suggesting to fly an aircraft into a building for example. In my particular situation and acknowledging that Mr Mcheyzer identified that his action was based on comments that I was making publicly, and noting that I was only making comments on Pprune.
I feel that it is reasonable that CASA specifically identify the comments that lead to Mr McHeyzers direction. The fact is that it was sent on the basis of comments that I was making publicly and it appears entirely fair that those comments are identified, and I anticipate that this has already been done as it is likely the starting point of any investigation i.e. what were the comments that Mr Buckley made to initiate Mr McHeyzers direction, and in what context could CASA take exception to those comments.
Consideration Seven
CASA has given a commitment that it will comply with the Public Service Code of Conduct. This requires that an Employee must:
Employees are also required to comply with APS Values
· Impartial: The APS is apolitical and provides the Government with advice that is frank, honest, timely and based on the best available evidence.
· Committed to service: The APS is professional, objective, innovative and efficient, and works collaboratively to achieve the best results for the Australian community and the Government.
· Accountable: The APS is open and accountable to the Australian community under the law and within the framework of Ministerial responsibility.
· Respectful: The APS respects all people, including their rights and their heritage.
· Ethical: The APS demonstrates leadership, is trustworthy, and acts with integrity, in all that it does.
CASA Employees are also obligated to conduct themselves in accordance with CASAs Regulatory Philosophy Our regulatory philosophy | Civil Aviation Safety Authority (casa.gov.au)
Considering these obligations, and in light of the direction sent by Mr Mcheyzer to my Employer, I am fully satisfied that he has displayed misconduct in his role with CASA, and most especially because of the senior position that he held within the organisation.
Consideration Seven
There is no dispute that CASA sent the email at approximately 2.15PM on 27/08/21 and approximately 3 hours later, I had been terminated.
This caused financial, and reputational damage to me. For Australia’s aviation safety regulator to send an email that led to my termination makes it extremely difficult to remain in the industry and obtain employment. The reasonable assumption by any potential employer is that the CASA direction would be based on safety or compliance considerations. After my termination it soon became apparent that I was going to have difficulty obtaining employment in the industry. CASA had closed down my two businesses, APTA and MFT after more than a decade of operations. After a period of 8 months unemployment, I returned to work outside of the aviation industry, and industry that I had been involved in since the early 80s and with my own business for 13 years.
My expected outcome
I acknowledge in your correspondence that you noted; “one of the only outcomes we could potentially obtain from you would be an apology from CASA and advice that it did not direct APTA to end your employment. Please let me know if you are still interested in obtaining a written apology and formal advice from CASA that it did not give a direction to your Employer in relation to your continuing employment. I can contact CASA to arrange for this if you would like.”
I will refer to your offer of obtaining “formal advice from CASA that they did not give a direction to my Employer in relation to my continuing employment.” As CASA clearly did send that correspondence, I feel there is little value in them making a statement that they did not, never the less I will avail myself of the opportunity you have presented.
I do however have a reasonable expectation that CASA does issue an apology, and that be a public apology. This matter has gained significant interest from the wider industry, and there can be no dispute that I have had reputational damage that extends across Australia. A simple letter addressed to me, will have negligible impact on restoring any reputational damage throughout the industry.
That apology would need to clearly state that the CASA direction was not based on matters of safety and that there were never any allegations of regulatory breach. Regarding anything else that CASA chooses to write i have no requirement other than the expectation that they will confirm that the direction was not based on safety or regulatory concerns. That will go a significant way towards me being able to protect my reputation, and perhaps ease the pathway for me to re-enter the industry, that I worked in for over 25 years. My expectation is that CASA would post that apology in Australian Flying Magazine and also Fridays edition of the Australian which traditionally carries an aviation supplement on Fridays. Alternatively, it could be an apology placed prominently on the CASA website. I would remain open to a well-intentioned discussion with CASA on this matter.
I note your comments that “It is open for you to consider taking action against APTA if you believe you were unfairly dismissed or there are unpaid wages or leave entitlements.”
My legal firm has estimated my entitlements by way of annual leave, long service, and termination entitlements after 15 years with the Company as an employee to be slightly under $200,000. I understand that I cannot expect the Ombudsman’s Office to make a determination regarding that .
A claim for the monies owed to me, would most likely cause significant cash flow challenges and effect the personnel that depend on APTA to derive their livelihood. This is a difficult ethical decision which I will deal with at a later point in time.
Thankyou for accepting my submission on my matter, and I hope that in your final finding you can identify if Mr McHeyzers actions and decisions were wrong, unjust, unlawful, discriminatory, or just plain unfair as stated on the Ombudsmans website.
Suggested Improvements
Prior to me departing the industry on the direction to my Employer I had spent over 30 years in the Industry with the last 13 years as a business owner, and CASA Approved Head of Operations, I would occasionally be on the receiving end of verbal “guidance” from CASA personnel that a potential employee I was considering were not suitable and that I should continue looking. On those occasions I was concerned that CASA employees would make such comments and potentially affect an individual’s livelihood. In my case, CASA erred and rather than restrict it to a verbal direction they made it in writing. I feel that CASA should have a policy or procedure that CASA Employees are not to interfere in amtters relating to an individuals career, unless that directive can be supported by a demonstrable safety case.
Thankyou for your consideration of this matter, and I will anxiously await your determination.
Respectfully, Glen Buckley
Dear Mark, (Complaint Resolution Officer of the Commonwealth Ombudsman Office.)
In this correspondence, I am referring only to the direction from the CASA Region Manager, to my Employer at the time, that my continuing employment as the Head of Operations for APTA was “no longer tenable”, and my subsequent termination from that employment.
I have received your advice that you feel, "further investigation of the complaint is not warranted. " I also respectfully acknowledge the matter is not closed and you have left me the opportunity to respond.
I will write to you on other matters under investigation separately, after I can gain some clarity on this matter first.
I appreciate that these are complicated matters, and I am seeking the opportunity to ensure I have adequately presented my perspective before a final outcome is determined by your Office, regarding the direction from a Region Manager at CASA to my Employer, that my position was 'no longer tenable'.
You are aware of the background to this matter, and that CASA had reversed my business's approval to operate with no prior notice and placed significant restrictions on its ability to trade. After 8 months with those restrictions placed on the business, and my parents having already contributed $300,000 to meet the salaries for my staff in order to avoid redundancies, I could ask them for no more financial support.
I could not meet my upcoming payroll obligations and the business was sold under duress, for 5% of its agreed value due to the CASA trade restrictions, and limited date of approval that CASA had placed on the business. A condition of the transfer of the business to the new owners was that I remain with the Organisation, as an Employee. I can supply correspondence in support each of those contentions.
Could I respectfully put forward the following considerations as my final submission before you make a finding on this specific matter.
Consideration One- Power imbalance
There was a significant power imbalance between the sender of the correspondence i.e. CASA, and the recipient of that correspondence i.e. the new owners of APTA.CASA management was in a position to exert significant influence over the new owners of APTA, and both sides would have been fully aware of that power imbalance.
You will recall that CASA had issued APTA an interim approval for the business to trade only until July 1st, 2019 with no surety of operations after that date. In fact, future operations were significantly in doubt as, after 8 months, the matter was still no closer to being resolved.
The new owners were to take over the business one day prior to the expiration of the business's interim CASA approval, being the last day of the financial year June 30th, 2019.
The new owners were taking a significant risk, and their investment was solely dependent on CASAs' decisions over the coming days and months. There can be no doubt that CASA potentially carried significant influence in any directives or directions that were sent to APTA, and understandably the new owners of APTA would feel somewhat compelled to comply with CASA preferences, directives, and directions, in order to protect their investment. CASA Executive Management were fully aware of the significant influence they exerted.
Consideration Two- The “intent”of the email
The email from the CASA Region Manager to the new owner of APTA was sent at approximately 2.15PM on 27th August 2019 and stated:
“Hi (new owner of APTA), I understand that Mr. Buckley remains as APTA deputy HOO. This is no longer tenable with the comments that Mr. Buckley is making publicly. Please confirm APTA’s intentions in relation to Mr. Buckley as deputy HOO and whether Mr. Buckley is authorized to speak on behalf of APTA. Thanks again, Jason.”
The "intent" of that correspondence is noticeably clear and cannot be disputed. I was terminated slightly over 3 hours later at approximately 5.30 PM, in the presence of an industry colleague.
If that email had NOT been sent, I am fully satisfied, I would not have been terminated from employment at 5.30 PM on 27th August 2019.
The use of the phrase “not tenable” implies that my position as the CASA approved Head of Operations (HOO) was not able to be maintained, justified or defended. The use of that word to an Employer in the private sector from a CASA Regional Manager is significant and carries significant weight.
Consideration Three- The emails in chronological order
CASA claim that they contacted the new owners of APTA later that afternoon to clarify the matter. I find that assertion unlikely, as had that have occurred the termination of my employment would not have occurred a few hours later.I simply do not believe that assertion by CASA, that they clarified the matter on the same day.
The truth is that later that night, in fact at 1.45AM, I wrote to the CASA Region Manager that made the direction to my Employer.
“Dear Jason, May I respectfully request if you make any determination regarding my continuing employment with my current employer, or have any concerns that may have an impact on my families welfare, or my ability to derive an income. that I be involved in that correspondence. Respectfully, Glen”
At approximately 8AM of that morning the Region Manager responded;
“Glen, I acknowledge your email. I have asked the accountable manager (new APTA owner) to clarify whether you continue to operate as Deputy HOO, and whether you are authorised to speak on behalf of APTA.I will leave it to Mr XXXXXXX, as the accountable manager, to communicate his decisions to you. Regards. Jason McHeyzer Region Manager.”
I responded almost immediately with the following correspondence, noting that I had already been terminated and was now unemployed.
“Hi Jason, sorry my inquiry isn’t actually specifically regarding APTA or my role within APTA. I’m trying to plan for my family going forward. I am simply asking for you to consider my reputation when contacting any employers or potential employers. Can you clarify if CASA has concerns about me in a Key Personnel role only? I was about to get my instructor rating active but will change my plans if you are opposed to me having a wider involvement in the industry. I don’t think the question really needs to involve (New Business Owner), because it’s a query about my wider employability. Thankfully, Glen
Understandably I was quite anxious and sent a follow up email at approximately 4PM on Wednesday 28/08, approximately 24 hours after I was terminated, hoping to get a response as soon as practical.
“Hi Jason, just after an acknowledgement of the previous email regarding my wider employability, cheers. Glen”.
Mr McHeyzer responded approximately 1 hour later with the following:
“Hi Glen, I have been in a meeting all day. I acknowledge your email and I am not aware of any concerns in relation to your flight crew licence, instructor privileges or employment in the industry. Regards Jason”
At approximately 5AM the following day, Thursday 29/08/19, I sent the following to Mr McHeyzer. It is important to understand that at this stage Mr McHeyzer most likely has no knowledge that I had seen his email directing my Employer that my employment was untenable as I was not an intended recipient.
Dear Jason, Can you please advise or confirm that during the last 3 days you have not sent any correspondence to any Employer or potential employer that could potentially impact on any current or future employment for myself. Please advise by 5PM today, to assist me with future plans for me and my family. I call on you to provide that, rather than require me to make a request under FOI. Glen.
On Thursday 29th August at approximately 6PM, the CASA Executive Manager Mr Craig Martin inserted himself into the situation with the following email to the new owner of APTA. This is now 48 hours after I have been terminated, and CASA has had the opportunity to craft a response to minimise their liability in this matter.
Dear Mr XXXXXI refer to your email excahange with Jason McHeyzer on Tuesday afternoon 27th August 2019, and in particular to Mr McHeyzers email to you of 2.14PM on that day.I understand that MrMc Heyzer spoke to you in a telephone conversation later in the afternoon of 27 August 2019 to clarify his intentions.
I confirm here that Mr Mc Heyzer sought to ensure that APTA was aware that Mr Buckley was representing his views as the views of APTA. The proprietary or impropriety of this was and is entirely a matter between you and Mr Buckley.
Please be assured CASA has no issue with Mr Buckley being or remaining an employee of APTA, and it is a question for you to decide whether he should be or remain so.Mr Mc Heyzer also sought your advice in relation to Mr Buckley’s role.In the event Mr Buckley, or anyone else for that matter, should be nominated by you as a person to hold a position in APTA for which CASAs approval would be required, we would consider any such nomination fairly, on the merits and according to the applicable requirements at that time, having regard to the relevant considerations.For now, I apologise for any confusion Mr Mc Heyzers email may have created, and I trust his follow up telephone advice of 27 August 2019 coupled with his message clarifies CASAs position.Yours sincerely, Craig”
Consideration Four- Breach of Procedural Fairness/ Administrative Law/ Natural Justice
I had occupied the position of CASA approved Head of Operations for over a decade. If CASA deem that an individual is not a “fit and proper person” to hold the CASA approved position of Head of Operations (HOO), there is a clearly stipulated CASA procedure to be followed and that can be found by accessing the following link to CASAs Enforcement Manual. Enforcement Manual (casa.gov.au) By following these procedures it ensures that obligations placed on CASA by Administrative law/Natural Justice and Procedural Fairness are adhered to. In my case they clearly were not.
Chapter Two outlines CASAs Enforcement Philosophy is and is pertinent to this matter. Of more significance perhaps is the procedural fairness afforded me by Appendix Four where it deals specifically with the "fit and proper" person.
Consideration Five- Direction was not based on safety or compliance considertions.
The direction by the Region Manager to my Employer could not be substantiated on the grounds of safety or regulatory compliance. If the direction was not based on safety and not based on regulatory compliance, then it was highly inappropriate to send such a direction to an Employer. The CASA Employee demonstrated misconduct and can only be assumed to have acted vindictively or vexatiously. The motivation and intent of Mr Mcheyzers email should be considered. It cannot be defended with integrity.
Consideration Six
I do respect that in exceptional circumstances a CASA Officer may be able to directly contact an Employer and direct that one of their employees holding a CASA approved position is not tenable in light of comments that a person is making publicly.
My reasonable expectation is that those comments would have to pose a "grave and imminent risk to aviation safety, i.e. flagrant breaches of safety regulations or suggesting to fly an aircraft into a building for example. In my particular situation and acknowledging that Mr Mcheyzer identified that his action was based on comments that I was making publicly, and noting that I was only making comments on Pprune.
I feel that it is reasonable that CASA specifically identify the comments that lead to Mr McHeyzers direction. The fact is that it was sent on the basis of comments that I was making publicly and it appears entirely fair that those comments are identified, and I anticipate that this has already been done as it is likely the starting point of any investigation i.e. what were the comments that Mr Buckley made to initiate Mr McHeyzers direction, and in what context could CASA take exception to those comments.
Consideration Seven
CASA has given a commitment that it will comply with the Public Service Code of Conduct. This requires that an Employee must:
- behave honestly and with integrity in connection with APS employment.
- act with care and diligence in connection with APS employment.
- when acting in connection with APS employment, treat everyone with respect and courtesy, and without harassment.
- when acting in connection with APS employment, comply with all applicable Australian laws.
- use Commonwealth resources in a proper manner and for a proper purpose.
- not improperly use inside information or the employee's duties, status, power, or authority:
- to gain, or seek to gain, a benefit or an advantage for the employee or any other person; or
- to cause, or to seek to cause, detriment to the employee's Agency, the Commonwealth, or any other person.
- at all times behave in a way that upholds the APS Values and Employment Principles, and the integrity and good reputation of the employee's Agency and the APS.
- comply with any other conduct requirement that is prescribed by the regulations (regulations available on the ComLaw website).
Employees are also required to comply with APS Values
· Impartial: The APS is apolitical and provides the Government with advice that is frank, honest, timely and based on the best available evidence.
· Committed to service: The APS is professional, objective, innovative and efficient, and works collaboratively to achieve the best results for the Australian community and the Government.
· Accountable: The APS is open and accountable to the Australian community under the law and within the framework of Ministerial responsibility.
· Respectful: The APS respects all people, including their rights and their heritage.
· Ethical: The APS demonstrates leadership, is trustworthy, and acts with integrity, in all that it does.
CASA Employees are also obligated to conduct themselves in accordance with CASAs Regulatory Philosophy Our regulatory philosophy | Civil Aviation Safety Authority (casa.gov.au)
Considering these obligations, and in light of the direction sent by Mr Mcheyzer to my Employer, I am fully satisfied that he has displayed misconduct in his role with CASA, and most especially because of the senior position that he held within the organisation.
Consideration Seven
There is no dispute that CASA sent the email at approximately 2.15PM on 27/08/21 and approximately 3 hours later, I had been terminated.
This caused financial, and reputational damage to me. For Australia’s aviation safety regulator to send an email that led to my termination makes it extremely difficult to remain in the industry and obtain employment. The reasonable assumption by any potential employer is that the CASA direction would be based on safety or compliance considerations. After my termination it soon became apparent that I was going to have difficulty obtaining employment in the industry. CASA had closed down my two businesses, APTA and MFT after more than a decade of operations. After a period of 8 months unemployment, I returned to work outside of the aviation industry, and industry that I had been involved in since the early 80s and with my own business for 13 years.
My expected outcome
I acknowledge in your correspondence that you noted; “one of the only outcomes we could potentially obtain from you would be an apology from CASA and advice that it did not direct APTA to end your employment. Please let me know if you are still interested in obtaining a written apology and formal advice from CASA that it did not give a direction to your Employer in relation to your continuing employment. I can contact CASA to arrange for this if you would like.”
I will refer to your offer of obtaining “formal advice from CASA that they did not give a direction to my Employer in relation to my continuing employment.” As CASA clearly did send that correspondence, I feel there is little value in them making a statement that they did not, never the less I will avail myself of the opportunity you have presented.
I do however have a reasonable expectation that CASA does issue an apology, and that be a public apology. This matter has gained significant interest from the wider industry, and there can be no dispute that I have had reputational damage that extends across Australia. A simple letter addressed to me, will have negligible impact on restoring any reputational damage throughout the industry.
That apology would need to clearly state that the CASA direction was not based on matters of safety and that there were never any allegations of regulatory breach. Regarding anything else that CASA chooses to write i have no requirement other than the expectation that they will confirm that the direction was not based on safety or regulatory concerns. That will go a significant way towards me being able to protect my reputation, and perhaps ease the pathway for me to re-enter the industry, that I worked in for over 25 years. My expectation is that CASA would post that apology in Australian Flying Magazine and also Fridays edition of the Australian which traditionally carries an aviation supplement on Fridays. Alternatively, it could be an apology placed prominently on the CASA website. I would remain open to a well-intentioned discussion with CASA on this matter.
I note your comments that “It is open for you to consider taking action against APTA if you believe you were unfairly dismissed or there are unpaid wages or leave entitlements.”
My legal firm has estimated my entitlements by way of annual leave, long service, and termination entitlements after 15 years with the Company as an employee to be slightly under $200,000. I understand that I cannot expect the Ombudsman’s Office to make a determination regarding that .
A claim for the monies owed to me, would most likely cause significant cash flow challenges and effect the personnel that depend on APTA to derive their livelihood. This is a difficult ethical decision which I will deal with at a later point in time.
Thankyou for accepting my submission on my matter, and I hope that in your final finding you can identify if Mr McHeyzers actions and decisions were wrong, unjust, unlawful, discriminatory, or just plain unfair as stated on the Ombudsmans website.
Suggested Improvements
Prior to me departing the industry on the direction to my Employer I had spent over 30 years in the Industry with the last 13 years as a business owner, and CASA Approved Head of Operations, I would occasionally be on the receiving end of verbal “guidance” from CASA personnel that a potential employee I was considering were not suitable and that I should continue looking. On those occasions I was concerned that CASA employees would make such comments and potentially affect an individual’s livelihood. In my case, CASA erred and rather than restrict it to a verbal direction they made it in writing. I feel that CASA should have a policy or procedure that CASA Employees are not to interfere in amtters relating to an individuals career, unless that directive can be supported by a demonstrable safety case.
Thankyou for your consideration of this matter, and I will anxiously await your determination.
Respectfully, Glen Buckley
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Glen,
A question if I may ask as I don't have the requisite knowledge/understanding at this time. It comes to mind after reading your recent posts. If I've previously missed something, my apologies in advance.
At the time that the CASA Regional Manager wrote 'THAT' email to your employer, did you hold any kind of instrument of appointment from CASA ? Maybe my terminology is dated as I've not worked in the civil system of airworthiness management.
Or was it that case that you were a person nominated in a critical role from an airworthiness/safety perspective in that organisation's procedures and processes pursuant to the applicable regulations/roles that applied to the flying school sector ? I'm more familiar with the latter personally, where the airworthiness regulator satisfies itself that the people an organisation nominates in key roles are suitable/acceptable. Note that the organisation 'FIRST' determines that it is so.
A question if I may ask as I don't have the requisite knowledge/understanding at this time. It comes to mind after reading your recent posts. If I've previously missed something, my apologies in advance.
At the time that the CASA Regional Manager wrote 'THAT' email to your employer, did you hold any kind of instrument of appointment from CASA ? Maybe my terminology is dated as I've not worked in the civil system of airworthiness management.
Or was it that case that you were a person nominated in a critical role from an airworthiness/safety perspective in that organisation's procedures and processes pursuant to the applicable regulations/roles that applied to the flying school sector ? I'm more familiar with the latter personally, where the airworthiness regulator satisfies itself that the people an organisation nominates in key roles are suitable/acceptable. Note that the organisation 'FIRST' determines that it is so.
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A30- Clarification regarding the direction from CASA re. my employment
Thanks for the question.
A Part 141 and 142 Organisation had a requirement for the following key personnel.
By CASA sending that direction, CASA completely bypassed their obligations to determine that i was not a fit and proper person.
That direction was based on "comments i was making publicly i.e. only on Pprune. Not based on safety or compliance concerns. totally unacceptable and unalwful.
Cheers. Glen
A Part 141 and 142 Organisation had a requirement for the following key personnel.
- CASA approved CEO
- CASA approved HOO
- CASA approved Safety Manager
By CASA sending that direction, CASA completely bypassed their obligations to determine that i was not a fit and proper person.
That direction was based on "comments i was making publicly i.e. only on Pprune. Not based on safety or compliance concerns. totally unacceptable and unalwful.
Cheers. Glen
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Thank you, Glen.
What you've described absolutely aligns with the kind of expectations I had from Defence/Commercial Industry engineering/maintenance organisations under the ADF system of airworthiness/safety management. It's about sticking to the underpinning principles first in my book, then ethical behaviours.
Apologies if my question seemed a bit personal and abrupt. I asked the question as I was curious if CASA challenged you on the assessment as CEO & HOO. Clearly they hadn't.
I have my own opinion of the chap who sent you that email and I may have hinted at it in a previous post. Clueless and totally reliant on his previous experience which he must have thought would acquit him in the role he had in CASA. Only it didn't.
But their complete failure to follow any kind of documented processes (allowing transparency and good governance) in the initial email action is beyond obscene IMO. I've suffered a similar outcome (different context) in another aviation environment with 'a couple of his kind'. After 6 years (and coupled with a couple of other significant life events outside of my control), I'm only coming back to being reasonably functional in the last 6 months. Doing it alone is difficult and reaching out when you need to (or even when you don't) is the imperative.
My best wishes to you Glen.
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What you've described absolutely aligns with the kind of expectations I had from Defence/Commercial Industry engineering/maintenance organisations under the ADF system of airworthiness/safety management. It's about sticking to the underpinning principles first in my book, then ethical behaviours.
Apologies if my question seemed a bit personal and abrupt. I asked the question as I was curious if CASA challenged you on the assessment as CEO & HOO. Clearly they hadn't.
I have my own opinion of the chap who sent you that email and I may have hinted at it in a previous post. Clueless and totally reliant on his previous experience which he must have thought would acquit him in the role he had in CASA. Only it didn't.
But their complete failure to follow any kind of documented processes (allowing transparency and good governance) in the initial email action is beyond obscene IMO. I've suffered a similar outcome (different context) in another aviation environment with 'a couple of his kind'. After 6 years (and coupled with a couple of other significant life events outside of my control), I'm only coming back to being reasonably functional in the last 6 months. Doing it alone is difficult and reaching out when you need to (or even when you don't) is the imperative.
My best wishes to you Glen.
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I have attached correspondence from me to Mr. Graeme Crawford the CASA Executive Manager of the Aviation Group, It is dated 1 year before CASA initiated the restrictions on the businesses ability to trade
This correspondence demonstrates that CASA was aware of the APTA concept and the correspondence clearly indicates that a contract was in existence and in fact provided to Mr Crawford.
These matters have previously been denied by CASA, but here is irrefutable proof that CASA was aware of APTA and that contrcats were in place.
Evidence of CASA misleading the Ombudsmans office by claiming that they were not aware of APTA.
This correspondence demonstrates that CASA was aware of the APTA concept and the correspondence clearly indicates that a contract was in existence and in fact provided to Mr Crawford.
These matters have previously been denied by CASA, but here is irrefutable proof that CASA was aware of APTA and that contrcats were in place.
Evidence of CASA misleading the Ombudsmans office by claiming that they were not aware of APTA.
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It is open for you to consider taking action against APTA if you believe you were unfairly dismissed or there are unpaid wages or leave entitlements.
A CASA goon beasts the company that you built and had to sell for a song because you were led up the garden path by CASA, and the solution is for you to sue the company.
(Glen: Between whom was the proposed contract referred to in your corro with Crawford to be? Do you have a copy of CASA corro that describes what contract CASA was after?)
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Lead balloon
At work for the next three days, working 13 hour shifts that are a 2 hour drive each way from home, so slightly time limited until then. it may take me till Tuesday on my next day off. Give me a couple of days for a very informative response. Nothing surprises me anymore LB. An allegation of misfeasance raised in Parliament against Crawford. and he ends up heading up Australia safety regulator. Only in CASA.
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Evidence CASA intended to close down APTA
You will recall that with no prior warning on 23rd October 2018 I received notification that CASA intended to close down my business. CASA will endeavor to misrepresent that they strictly followed their obligations under Administrative Law, Procedural fairness, and natural justice.
I did have the opportunity to meet with the Executive Manager of Regulatory Services and Surveillance approximately 1 month later, where I was formally advised that CASA was closing down my business, and to expect written notification of such.
Attached is a copy of the email that I sent to the Executive Manager who had made this determination after consulting with his Seniors in the organization, Mr. Graeme Crawfor, and Mr. Jonathan Aleck.
This has all unfolded within less than 30 days. I have robustly defended APTA within those 30 days, but to no avail. There can be no doubt that CASA were completely bypassing any of my rights to maintain my business. A lack of ethics and good intent, yet again
I did have the opportunity to meet with the Executive Manager of Regulatory Services and Surveillance approximately 1 month later, where I was formally advised that CASA was closing down my business, and to expect written notification of such.
Attached is a copy of the email that I sent to the Executive Manager who had made this determination after consulting with his Seniors in the organization, Mr. Graeme Crawfor, and Mr. Jonathan Aleck.
This has all unfolded within less than 30 days. I have robustly defended APTA within those 30 days, but to no avail. There can be no doubt that CASA were completely bypassing any of my rights to maintain my business. A lack of ethics and good intent, yet again
Evidence - Written
Glen do you have any written communication from CASA regarding their awareness of and approval of APTA?
The letter you posted regarding Carmody is in fact an email from you, not Carmody, in which you alleged you received good service and support for APTA.
I’m sorry, but this is not evidence because anyone can write their own emails and a lack of response from CASA cannot be taken as consent or approval for anything.
There is an old Indian/British public service axiom: “The file must talk”. If you do not have written evidence in the form of communication from CASA backing each of your allegations then you are wasting your time.
It is no good you producing your correspondence without written responses from CASA. If you have been responding to verbal demands from CASA and you didn’t get them in writing (all of them, in detail, not just vague threats) you are SOL.
Also ALWAYS start any letter or email with the sentence: “ I refer to our previous telephone/Email/ correspondence on this subject and perhaps the date of the latest letter if relevant.. What that does is ensure the other party cannot claim ignorance or misunderstanding because by default that includes ALL previous discussion between the parties in your deliberations.
‘’Please accept my apology if this is not news to you. I hope for your sake there is a better paper trail than the current one because without it you will be dismissed as a fantasising malcontent by the authorities or at worst for CASA, they may have accidentally misled you due to the inaction of some low level, now retired, public servant.
Carmody can simply say he doesn’t know what you are talking about.
The letter you posted regarding Carmody is in fact an email from you, not Carmody, in which you alleged you received good service and support for APTA.
I’m sorry, but this is not evidence because anyone can write their own emails and a lack of response from CASA cannot be taken as consent or approval for anything.
There is an old Indian/British public service axiom: “The file must talk”. If you do not have written evidence in the form of communication from CASA backing each of your allegations then you are wasting your time.
It is no good you producing your correspondence without written responses from CASA. If you have been responding to verbal demands from CASA and you didn’t get them in writing (all of them, in detail, not just vague threats) you are SOL.
Also ALWAYS start any letter or email with the sentence: “ I refer to our previous telephone/Email/ correspondence on this subject and perhaps the date of the latest letter if relevant.. What that does is ensure the other party cannot claim ignorance or misunderstanding because by default that includes ALL previous discussion between the parties in your deliberations.
‘’Please accept my apology if this is not news to you. I hope for your sake there is a better paper trail than the current one because without it you will be dismissed as a fantasising malcontent by the authorities or at worst for CASA, they may have accidentally misled you due to the inaction of some low level, now retired, public servant.
Carmody can simply say he doesn’t know what you are talking about.
The certificates prove nothing except that at one time Glen allegedly did enough for CASA to agree to issue them.
Furthermore post 1453 indicates that "The evidence" Glen offers yet again is another email from Glen. It is NOT an official communication from CASA.
I have been here before in another life. Unless Glen has written evidence from CASA in the form of official CASA communications, NOT his own emails allegedly replying to some verbal statement by CASA, then I am out of this.
I wish Glen well and also CASA.
Furthermore post 1453 indicates that "The evidence" Glen offers yet again is another email from Glen. It is NOT an official communication from CASA.
I have been here before in another life. Unless Glen has written evidence from CASA in the form of official CASA communications, NOT his own emails allegedly replying to some verbal statement by CASA, then I am out of this.
I wish Glen well and also CASA.
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Sunfish
Sunfish there are literally hundreds of emails. This was a two-year project conducted with 10 x CASa personnel. Many hundreds of thousands of dollars investment were made in personnel and systems. Over that two-year period, CASA assessed over 600 items that we wrote procedures for. The original CASA checklist that they used was obtained under FOI and can be found at Post 441. This alone required hundreds of emails as we had each procedure approved. The manuals were written from day one with CASA as we developed APTA. Many hundreds of hours were spent working with CASA. CASA approved bases under the system and CASA conducted a level 1 audit with no concerns raised. CASA issued the approvals etc etc.
There can be no debate on the topic that CASA was fully involved in the development, and approval of APTA. If CASA try and contend otherwise,
and Vref. You get it.
There can be no debate on the topic that CASA was fully involved in the development, and approval of APTA. If CASA try and contend otherwise,
and Vref. You get it.
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Apologies Sunfish, but all direction at the moment is directed towards another significant task. Whilst I could track them down, it would take some effort, as I no longer have access to emails back that far, since I left the Company I think it will achieve little. Quite simply the approval would not have been processed as Part 141/142 Organisation without a significant CASA process being undertaken. Sorry, I'm not of more help, but I just don't have the capacity at the moment, as I am working towards a couple of important deadlines. Those involved in the flight training sector will appreciate how significant the task was, and that a Part 142 approval could not possibly have been written and approved without significant CASA involvement. Cheers. Glen. Signing off for the night on Pprune to keep typing a submission for the Ombudsman, which may reveal more answers to your questions.
Best if you have the type of advise you think you have - to PM Glen - not try give ammo to CAsA (if you are correct in your point/s).