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Boeing last earnings call stated they have backlog until mid next decade.
Virgin started negotiating 737 Max orders back in 2011 and finalised orders the following year. The first one hits the production line in the next half.
Its now at the point where Virgin will have its full 40 fleet of MAXs delivered before QF even gets a single one.
That would involve a transfer of business which is simply not possible under current legislation. If it was legal it would have been done long ago. It’s that attitude to company threats which spread fear and uncertainty. This is counterproductive from both the company’s and pilots point of view.
I understand the reference. I see the reality. However, under the legislation (I’m sure others will know it better than me) existing QF red tail Mainline domestic flying must be maintained reasonably should red tail subsidiary flying increase. For example, say the 737s were needed to do more trans continental flying then the 717s could be used on any route QF like as long as the 737s did the hours. If the 737s hours were cut back (Mainline jobs) then it is illegal for any red tail to fill the void.
Under current legislation what you fear is illegal and what you see is company growth which Mainline does not do. The legal transfer of business has already occurred and that is Jetstar.
Under current legislation what you fear is illegal and what you see is company growth which Mainline does not do. The legal transfer of business has already occurred and that is Jetstar.
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This brings me to the surge in mining investment that is currently under way. This is again very broad based across a range of resources, but the core part centres on the large expansion in the iron ore, coal and gas industries. It has been, to a large degree, driven by demand for resources by emerging economies, with China being the most significant. Judged by the pattern in mining investment and commodity prices, the start of this boom can be dated from around 2005. By 2007 and early 2008, it was severely testing the productive capacity and flexibility of the economy. That all changed in the second half of 2008, as the effects of the mining boom were offset by the impact of the global financial crisis. However, now that this has passed, the underlying dynamics of the resource boom are starting to re-appear. -Deputy Governor Ric Battelino February 2010.
Network Aviation serves two purposes:
1. Latest subsidiary to scare pilots, particularly those Perth based employed by Qantas mainline
2. A home for the ex JQ A320, which Little Napoleon and Bruce Buchanan decided in 2011 needed replacing, well before their economic life cycle.
The economics don't matter, the intention is to convince pilots that there is ample supply at prices Qantas IR are used to paying.
That the aircraft lay dormant and cost a lot on static display, is all part of the cost to be borne to win the next battle in reductions in pilot terms and conditions.
It is a dated approach and ignores the building demographic shortages, but to Qantas IR it is a battle they will fight irrespective of the true cost in other people's money.
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Lots of conspiracy theories flying around but the simple explanation is that mining companies dont want the business class configuration of mainline B737s. Never have. They put up with it when capacity was tight and iron ore was $100 a tonne. Nor do they like being second priority when there is network disruption. It has always been thus in mining and oil. The previous 10 years were an aberration.
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That would involve a transfer of business which is simply not possible under current legislation.
That would involve a transfer of business which is simply not possible under current legislation.
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Broome, Newman, Solomon, Port Hedland, Karratha and Broome. Broome is mostly on the weekends, where they are using it in place of a 717 on Friday, Saturday and Sunday services to appease the state government's desire for cheaper fares.
Lots of conspiracy theories flying around but the simple explanation is that mining companies dont want the business class configuration of mainline B737s. Never have. They put up with it when capacity was tight and iron ore was $100 a tonne. Nor do they like being second priority when there is network disruption. It has always been thus in mining and oil. The previous 10 years were an aberration.
Network are supposed, according to corporate sources, absorb multiple JQ aircraft that as a result of a botched 'megaphone diplomacy' order by Little Napoleon in 2011 see another 100 odd aircraft destined for JQ.
Is immaterial whether it works economically, industrially is the focus, is anyone really surprised when time after time the same play book rolls out?
And to quote the CEO....”Under the Fair Work Act, companies are prevented from taking work away (e.g. reducing total flying hours) from a particular group and giving it to another group in order to circumvent an EBA.”
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RD, During the last boom traffic to Karratha Port Hedland etc. was almost all FIFO. Demand for business class was zero. Broome has always struggled. There is a small market for business class during the east coast winter but its small. West coasters prefer Bali. Miners returning to purpose designed chart carriers is reversion to the norm of the previous 30 years, not a conspiracy.
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Have a look at what is available from Australia to Bali with Australian carriers. Then have a look at what is available from foreign carriers.
Part of a wider malaise. Last year there were over 815,000 Australian visitors to Thailand. Now have a look at Australian airlines offering direct flights to Thailand.
Malaysia, Japan...
Part of a wider malaise. Last year there were over 815,000 Australian visitors to Thailand. Now have a look at Australian airlines offering direct flights to Thailand.
Malaysia, Japan...
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All flights are AU metal. Tech crew are Australian based however cabin crew are not.
9V birds only fly to Darwin from Singapore.
JQ/QF do fly direct Thailand and have considerable direct flights to Japan so I still don’t get your point here.
Japan and Nippon have been missing in action until only recently
AirAsia pulled its A330s off Bali to Sydney and Melbourne. And they have considerable feed on the other end.
Your point is what exactly?
9V birds only fly to Darwin from Singapore.
Part of a wider malaise. Last year there were over 815,000 Australian visitors to Thailand. Now have a look at Australian airlines offering direct flights to Thailand.
Malaysia, Japan...
Malaysia, Japan...
Japan and Nippon have been missing in action until only recently
AirAsia pulled its A330s off Bali to Sydney and Melbourne. And they have considerable feed on the other end.
Your point is what exactly?
And a check of Qantas historical route schedule would show these routes largely once flown by 737 on Qantas terms and conditions.
JQ/QF do fly direct Thailand and have considerable direct flights to Japan so I still don’t get your point here.
Now have a look at Virgin flights from Sydney or Melbourne. The West coast is worse. The only direct flight from Perth to Bangkok is Thai Airways. QF and VA do not bother. The same with KL, no service from our flag carrier and their duopoly partner. They leave it to Malaysia, Air Asia and Malindo.
Like I said, they raised the white flag.
Its also the same reason B707s don’t fly across the Pacific with 3 stops to LA anymore
none of which happens when an F100 takes over a route from a B737.
https://www.uber.com/en-AU/drive/per...-requirements/
Nice TL, completely off the topic of my answer to Rated de . The NJS 146s were flying those routes for 10 years before a single 737 set tyres on WA regional soil so once again for the cheap seats, no, history does not show those routes were operated by the 737