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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Roller Merlin
ABC news story clearly held over to a quiet- news Sunday. The old chestnuts of pillaging, poaching and even rapacious plundering of “their pilots”.

Global pilot shortage hits Australia, with cancelled regional routes just the beginning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
I think it’s interesting that the QF S/O who features in the above article has been used in the past by QF PR for the new uniform promotions and other such things.

Have QF wheeled her out for a media story to push their case for 457 visas? (Not an attack on the individual by the way...just wondering if there’s some sinister motives from “The Street” here)
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The termination of psychometric tests, behavioural interview questions and cringe-worthy group exercises in favour of pilot qualification and experience assessment, simulator evaluations and reference checks.
Virgin and Jetstar now just ask one question.
Are you female?
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 05:20
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Originally Posted by The Bullwinkle

Virgin and Jetstar now just ask one question.
Are you female?
In this era of gender fluidity, and claims that gender is a choice, not a birth defect, you can all answer yes, and the AHRC will back you up!!
You basic choices are CIS/LBTIQUSSGF ---- but some employers recognize a greater range, twenty of more genders.
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PS: Based on the anti- discrimination laws your answer should be: Yes.

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Does one really want to go down that path when one actually considers the potential consequences when CASA AvMed finally catches up with the latest medical practices and research ?

FACTS ABOUT SUICIDE

  • Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.1
  • LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of heterosexual youth.2
  • LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth.2
  • Of all the suicide attempts made by youth, LGB youth suicide attempts were almost five times as likely to require medical treatment than those of heterosexual youth.2
  • Suicide attempts by LGB youth and questioning youth are 4 to 6 times more likely to result in injury, poisoning, or overdose that requires treatment from a doctor or nurse, compared to their straight peers.2
  • In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25.3
  • LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.4
  • 1 out of 6 students nationwide (grades 9–12) seriously considered suicide in the past year. [5]
  • Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average.6
SOURCES:
[1] CDC, NCIPC. Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System (WISQARS) [online]. (2010) {2013 Aug. 1}. Available from:www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars.

[2] CDC. (2016). Sexual Identity, Sex of Sexual Contacts, and Health-Risk Behaviors Among Students in Grades 9-12: Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

[3] James, S. E., Herman, J. L., Rankin, S., Keisling, M., Mottet, L., & Anafi, M. (2016). The Report of the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey. Washington, DC: National Center for Transgender Equality.

[4] Family Acceptance Project™. (2009). Family rejection as a predictor of negative health outcomes in white and Latino lesbian, gay, and bisexual young adults. Pediatrics. 123(1), 346-52.

[5] CDC. (2016). Sexual Identity, Sex of Sexual Contacts, and Health-Risk Behaviors Among Students in Grades 9-12: Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

[6] IMPACT. (2010). Mental health disorders, psychological distress, and suicidality in a diverse sample of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender youths. American Journal of Public Health. 100(12), 2426-32.

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Old 24th Jul 2018, 22:01
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Mate, you forgot to attach the phone number for Lifeline.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 02:13
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Folks,
Seriously, with the public Diversity and Inclusion programs that are now virtually mandatory at any large(ish) company, and in particular, the announcements by Qantas of planned flightdeck composition, it is clear that the employment prospects for Caucasian heterosexual males, including in the new proposed cadet scheme, are limited.
So, head for the sandpit, China or USA.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 02:38
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At the QF Group airline I work at I see plenty of straight white men getting jobs in mainline.I also see plenty of the same demographic replacing them, in fact the SWM are in the majority of the intakes. Nothing to see here but hysteria and homophobia.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 04:47
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At the QF Group airline I work at I see plenty of straight white men getting jobs in mainline.I also see plenty of the same demographic replacing them, in fact the SWM are in the majority of the intakes. Nothing to see here but hysteria and homophobia.
Perhaps if you wear that horrid uniform enough, it will make you change!
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 05:23
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Luckily Lookleft doesn’t have to wear our abomination.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 08:53
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I reckon the uniform is sharp.......minus the hat. Get rid of that and it’s pretty sweet.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
At the QF Group airline I work at I see plenty of straight white men getting jobs in mainline.I also see plenty of the same demographic replacing them, in fact the SWM are in the majority of the intakes. Nothing to see here but hysteria and homophobia.
Lookleft,
I am only summarising Qantas public statements, from the CEO down, plus stock exchange listing rules, as Qantas is a listed stock.
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it is clear that the employment prospects for Caucasian heterosexual males, including in the new proposed cadet scheme, are limited.
So, head for the sandpit, China or USA.
I'm fairly certain that is all your own opinion that was stated.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 06:33
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
I'm fairly certain that is all your own opinion that was stated.
Lookleft,
You obviously have not been keeping up with the public policy statements from Qantas re. pilots and a 50% "target" that makes interesting reading, from the CEOs statements downwards. It can be interpreted as 50% female (whatever that means in this day and age) or 50% not- Caucasian heterosexual male.

Nor the enthusiastic Qantas embrace of ASX listing rules as they pertain to the subject of "Diversity and Inclusion" targets.

The logical outcome of these policies is certainly my opinion, a very different flight deck composition to the "traditional", and very different approach to what "qualified for the job" means. Indeed, I think you will find that severely differential selection procedures are now in place, or about to be introduced, to give effect to the above policies.

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PS: The current uniform, very Gilbert and Sullivan.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 07:18
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LS I also remember an Australian Prime Minister making the rather grand policy statement that no Australian child will be living in poverty by 1990. Often the PPS has no hope of succeeding because of the magnitude of the problem. The basic fact is if there is a requirement for a lot of pilots then it doesn't matter what the publicly proclaimed policy statement is. If the majority of pilots are SWM then the airlines will select them. If your definition of a traditional flight deck is a Captain, First Officer and Second Officer(s) then that is not going to change. If your definition of a traditional flight deck is everyone is homogeneous and talks like they're at an outback pub then yes your traditional flight deck is disappearing. Fleeing to the Middle East China or the US won't change that either, its not just Qantas making policy statements about quotas and diversity.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 08:43
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White people arent very successful breeders on a worldwide scale..in fact some of the most western countries are some of the worst. Being born a woman is a happy accident you can’t do much about..being born non white is becoming more and more likely
The general populous is irrelevant, it's the pilot population that counts. The issue is that aviation, for whatever reason, seems to attract white males. It is not the same in other jobs thats for sure. I saw the graduation photo of my local optometrist who is probably 5 years out of uni and that would be a diversity managers wet dream, 80%+ non caucasian females, and that was at one of Australia's top Unis.

However they get paid 90K straight out of uni, have every weekend and public holiday off, and walk out the door at 1800 at the latest. Maybe that has something to do with the diversity issue in Piloting ranks. Add to this in many countries professional piloting is seen as a job for losers. I have flown with a few people who have non caucasion heritage who parents were not impressed that they wanted to be pilots.
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RE 'The issue is that aviation, for whatever reason, seems to attract white males.'...……

Perhaps it is just that 'category' who possess the ambition....and....the qualifications...?

Just Sayin'...……
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As a matter of interest what is the gender ratio in ATC? I would guess that it is higher than the 5% female participation in pilot ranks.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 09:08
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Qantas have stated that around 15% of EOI's for the new pilot cadetship are from females. Assume that proportion transpires for applications when the programs starts. I highly doubt 15% of the actual intake will be females, and I expect to see that number much closer to 50% when the first course graduates, just like the Virgin cadetship. I'd be keen to know what the 'gender diversity' of the Qantas HR department looks like.
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We all know that the VA Cadetship and QF pilot academy is a complete PR stunt. They could walk around the aprons at Jandakot, Broome, darwin, Alice spring and cairns and fill their pilot quota for the next 5 years by lunch time - but then what would happen to all the HR employees, how would they secure their job?

As for the diversity debate, I truely believe I would be a sandwich officer on a qf jet if I had a vagina.
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Boeing Forecasts Unprecedented 20-Year Pilot Demand as Operators Face Pilot Supply Challenges

OSHKOSH, Wis., July 23, 2018 /PRNewswire/

-- Boeing [NYSE: BA] today released its 2018 Pilot & Technician Outlook, projecting demand for 790,000 pilots over the next 20 years. This represents double the current workforce and the most significant demand in the outlook's nine-year history.

The demand is being driven by an anticipated doubling of the global commercial airplane fleet — as reported in Boeing's Commercial Market Outlook — as well as record-high air travel demand and a tightening labor supply. This year's outlook also includes data from the business aviation and civil helicopter sectors for the first time.

"Despite strong global air traffic growth, the aviation industry continues to face a pilot labor supply challenge, raising concern about the existence of a global pilot shortage in the near-term," said Keith Cooper, vice president of Training & Professional Services, Boeing Global Services. "An emphasis on developing the next generation of pilots is key to help mitigate this. With a network of training campuses and relationships with flight schools around the globe, Boeing partners with customers, governments and educational institutions to help ensure the market is ready to meet this significant pilot demand."

Boeing offers the Pilot Development Program – an accelerated training program that guides future pilots from early stage ab-initio training through type rating as a first officer – to help operators meet their growing pilot needs. Boeing also helps operators improve crew efficiency with tools that optimize resources and minimize disruption.

Despite the commercial pilot demand forecast holding nearly steady, maintenance technician demand decreased slightly from 648,000 to 622,000, primarily due to longer maintenance intervals for new aircraft. Collectively, the business aviation and civil helicopter sectors will demand an additional 155,000 pilots and 132,000 technicians.

Demand for commercial cabin crew increased slightly from 839,000 to 858,000, due to changes in fleet mix, regulatory requirements, denser seat configurations and multi-cabin configurations that offer more personalized service. In addition, 32,000 new cabin crew will be required to support business aviation.

For more information about the Pilot & Technician Outlook, please visit: Boeing: About Our Market

For the 2018 Business Environment Update, please visit: Boeing: Boeing Market Insight

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Boeing is the world's largest aerospace company and leading manufacturer of commercial jetliners and defense, space and security systems. A top U.S. exporter, the company supports airlines and U.S. and allied government customers in more than 150 countries. Boeing products and tailored services include commercial and military aircraft, satellites, weapons, electronic and defense systems, launch systems, advanced information and communication systems, and performance-based logistics and training. With corporate offices in Chicago, Boeing employs more than 140,000 people across the U.S. and in more than 65 countries.

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