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Old 30th Sep 2016, 02:16
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Is there an issue with mainline 737 fo's being paid around 200k plus?

Yes the stick hours are up at the moment but the Qantas group has made a record profit and a significant portion of that was thanks to Qantas domestic.

We pilots are a funny breed! Was not that long ago that it seemed other entities within the 'group' who were working 90 hours stick a month deemed not paid enough, but now when we hear the earnings of mainline under the 'short haul' contract illustrated, there seems to be a thought of.....s$it that's seems a lot....

I think its great that thes pilots earn that amount, may it continue
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 22:02
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So it begins! It's finally open.
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Old 30th Sep 2016, 22:24
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Website now has details of min requirements, etc.

There is a link to register your interest but direct entry S/O doesn't yet appear. I suspect it will appear on Monday morning as those jobs often have date restrictions on the back end as to when they open and close. Seems to be the website has gone live and the EOI hasn't quite opened yet.

Passes in English and one or more of: Mathematics; Physics; Chemistry; at a level equivalent to NSW Higher School Certificate (HSC) level 4 or Awarded a Bachelor's degree in a relevant discipline in Aviation, Science, Maths or Engineering.
Level 6 English proficiency (Expert)
Australian citizen or Hold Australian Permanent Residency Status
Hold a current passport with unrestricted access to all Qantas ports of call with at least 12 months validity
Hold an Australian Air Transport Pilot (Aeroplane) Licence, or Passed the Aeronautical Knowledge Examination for the Australian Air Transport Pilot (Aeroplane) Licence.
Hold a Part 61 Multi Engine Aeroplane Class Instrument Rating (excluding a Private Instrument Rating)
Hold endorsements for IAP 2D and IAP 3D on Australian (Civil) Instrument rating.
Hold a current Instrument Proficiency Check (MEA)
500 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (excluding hours in Command
Under Supervision), or 300 hours in Command of a multi engine aeroplane (excluding hours In Command Under Supervision), or 250 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane and 1000 hours as Co-Pilot of a multi crew, multi engine turbine aeroplane (excluding hours In Command Under Supervision), or 250 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (of which up to 100 hours may be In Command Under Supervision) and 1500 hours as Co-Pilot of a multi crew turbine aeroplane or 250 Hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane and 500 hours in Command of rotary wing aircraft (excluding hours In Command Under Supervision)
Hold a current CASA Class 1 Medical Certificate
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 00:20
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Why do they insist on those educational requirements? Do they honestly think that it makes a better pilot?

I'm past the point where I'd want to fly for Qantas, but going by those requirements, my >10 years industry experience and thousands of hours in turboprops and jets is useless because I didn't get a pass in a few subjects at school and didn't need a degree?

Outdated indeed.

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Old 1st Oct 2016, 00:42
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Morno

It's just a filter. Imagine how many thousands more applications they would get if it was just yr10?

Why does Tiger insist on a full Atpl when Virgin doesn't?

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Old 1st Oct 2016, 01:25
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Passing high school isn't really an outdated requirement morno!
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 01:32
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Apart from acting as a filter it's also a way to show determination. If you really wanted to fly for QF but didn't have the educational requirements then doing a year 12 Maths/Physics bridging course is a way to show your desire for the role. Don't complain if you don't, plenty of people who didn't meet the educational requirements in the past have been proactive and completed bridging courses in order to meet the minimum standards.

And let's be honest, almost all other professions these days require a degree (and many graduates aren't getting far in their careers in a lot of areas unless they have done post graduate study) so for a position with such a high level of responsibility a year 12 education should be an ABSOLUTE minimum.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 05:04
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Steve Holding very good for Maths / Physics bridging course.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 06:02
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Moron,

It's just a filter.
that it is… Morno.




Oh, for those asking about first year pay, don't forget you have a training wage of around 800 odd bucks a week for the first 3-6 months. So for those first year figures of 'around 100k', they'd be after being Cleared to the line.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 06:03
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I agree with you morno.
If I had of completed year 12 it would've been 27 years ago, how would that be relevant now? I would like to think my recent achievements, work history and experience would hold more weight than what I did in school so long ago.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 08:43
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Is a post grad masters degree equivalent of a Batchelors degree ?
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 08:56
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QF is a seniority airline.

Expectations are that new external joiners will join at the bottom.

Previous experience is largely, if not totally, irrelevant except to decide whether you may get a shot at QF when they take externals....or not.

They set the experience criteria - and provide info as to how their minimums may be achieved in some areas.

If you are really aggrieved at their minimums/requirements etc then simply don't apply....sure THAT will fix 'em!!

Cheers all.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 09:43
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Looks like the bench mark in pilot pay has moved up a notch or two, and may result in better deals for those lower down the food chain. Improved conditions may be in order to retain current employees as a pilot joining QF pulls up a chain of people behind him.

It would be nice to meet up for a beer with the pilot who got your turboprop job and the one who got his piston twin job and the one who got his first job on a 206 in the Kimberley, all because you landed an airline job. Drinks on them.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 12:33
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Originally Posted by Livin View Post
I agree with you morno.
If I had of completed year 12 it would've been 27 years ago, how would that be relevant now? I would like to think my recent achievements, work history and experience would hold more weight than what I did in school so long ago.
My point exactly. How is how I performed as a 17 year old any reflection on my professional career now many years and thousands of hours later?

Lancer,
I never said passing year 12 was an outdated requirement. What I said was why are they insisting that guys who are 30+ years old who have been in the industry for years (and so far I haven't fallen out of the sky because I spent most of my maths classes bludging), have this ridiculous requirement to have the education level of a 17 year old?

As I said, I'm not even wanting to apply to Qantas (I see much better avenues overseas!), I just find it ridiculous that they still want that stuff.

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Old 1st Oct 2016, 13:08
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Maybe its the demographic they are after-without obvious discrimination!. They want under 30's with limited experience but who will give them a longer return on investment. In a Seniority based airline such as Qf, experience itself has zero value due to the nature of the system combined with the internal belief that they know better, so any previous experience is without value. It also works for the company rather than the workforce as it creates a captive pilot market, except for the few lucky enough to have timing that allows LWOP so they can go and gain some actual real world experience in far more challenging environments. If experience was valued a new hire with experience would expect a window seat similar to what BA does, whilst the inexperienced would start as S/O's.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 14:20
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The reason for the minimas is to weed out the unsuitable.

To make it in this game you need to put the work in and continue to do so. The minimas merely reflect this. By meeting them, you demonstrate that you can study and put the work in that is required of an airline like qantas. Doing one TR is hard work on a jet. You'll probably do several in your first decade, then fly a new type for command.

The company doesn't want to waste resources on somebody who could be a bad investment.
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 16:58
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Hold an Australian Air Transport Pilot (Aeroplane) Licence, or Passed the Aeronautical Knowledge Examination for the Australian Air Transport Pilot (Aeroplane) Licence.
Just got curious about "Passed the Aeronautical Knowledge Examination for the Australian ATPL".

I know the traditional route is CASA CPL/MEIR + 7 ATPL written tests. However, for those in possession of ICAO ATPL, they are only required to complete only 2 written tests (AOSA and AHUF) provided they hold CASA MEIR for the purpose of CASA ATPL issuance..

Will QF accept CASA CPL/MEIR with ICAO ATPL + AOSA/AHUF passes?
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 21:32
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Will QF accept CASA CPL/MEIR with ICAO ATPL + AOSA/AHUF passes?
Does that mean you hold an Aussie ATPL? If you don't then I'd suggest the answer is going to be 'no'.

Qantas used to require passes in Aussie ATPL subjects irrespective of whether you had converted an ATPL from o/s or not. The way I rea the requirement now is that if you've converted to an Aussie ATPL then that's enough and you don't need the subjects. If you don't hold an Aussie ATPL then you need passes in the Aussie ATPL subjects.

Seems pretty clear really?
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Old 1st Oct 2016, 21:54
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I'll have a go at some of these.

Originally Posted by Berealgetreal View Post

NARROW BODY Q's:
Can I ask, are allowances on top of that? Say 15k cash?
How many days at home per 28 days are you getting?
I assume you'd be clearing about 10-11k a month.
How much duty per month/annum or stick per year?
Not sure re allowances or pay. Someone else can cover that.
Depends on where you are in the rotation. I've heard of those at the top,only working as little as 9-10. They're big days no doubt. Those at the bottom can work 18- 19. Rotation is 13 months I think.
Stick is well north of 750. I've heard of some crew pushing north of 900. More stick= more $$$.


Note. I'm not a SH pilot and never have been. I've worked on the LH award for nearly 22 years.

Originally Posted by Berealgetreal View Post
WIDEBODY Q's:
Is it fair to say that if you are on the 330 you are away a lot (no day trips)?
How does it work? Two big trips a month or multiple small trips?
How many days at home?
Will a new-hire sit on reserve or what you call a "blank line" in Sydney the whole time?
When will recruitment to 330 stop and become 787 recruitment?
So a first year so gets 100, could you expect overtime and allowances on top and if so how much? How much would a new hire be clearing?
There are zero day trips as a S/O. Plenty for Captains and F/Os.
How many trips depends on the fleet and your seniority in it. A330 trip length for S/Os varies from 3 days to 9 days at the moment.
S/O trips tend to be a bit more dense so normally at least half days at home.
New hires are likely to do one full roster, then a blank line (8 weeks) of reserve and then it'll be 12-18 months before they're on reserve again. I'd be very surprised if there was much sitting around on it given the shortage at the moment.
Recruitment to the 787 is likely May(ish) next year at the earliest. Approx first 100 new joiners go to the A330.
Pay figures including allowances were mentioned a couple of pages back. There will be a bit of overtime on top but not huge and not worth budgeting for. If shortage continues it could be more. If it eases so will the additional $$$. If you work on $100K into the ATO rates and divide by 26 that will be what you clear. Allowances are essentially tax free on top.

Hope that helps.

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Old 1st Oct 2016, 22:11
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As I said, I'm not even wanting to apply to Qantas (I see much better avenues overseas!)
Oh dear, the bitterness reeks 😱 If you had just left out the bit in brackets or even toned it down by leaving the word 'much' and the ! out, you might have some credibility.

We get it that you don't want to apply, it's evident through you not going to complete a couple of simple bridging subjects to satisfy the company. QF makes the rules to cull people, I know it might seem outdated but it sorts out the applicants. None of it is personal so don't take it personally as you seem to be doing.

As far as overseas jobs go, they are just different, no job is that much better in aviation these days. All companies flog you you for about the same money. If the money is better then there is always a catch, like smoking in flight decks or living in a sh!thole. Different horses for different courses.
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