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Old 27th Nov 2018, 11:09
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Can anyone with reliable info comment on whether apps will reopen early next year?
Will mins be the same or will an MCC requirement be added?
Will an applicant have an equal chance regardless of being an internal/external?

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Old 28th Nov 2018, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987 View Post
Can anyone with reliable info comment on whether apps will reopen early next year?
Will mins be the same or will an MCC requirement be added?
Will an applicant have an equal chance regardless of being an internal/external?
If anyone here had reliable info about what you’re asking, this thread wouldn’t be over 2000 posts long.

For what it’s worth;

1. Maybe but probably not, was two years between current and last recruitment waves.
2. They’ll probably be similar, as a trend they’ve become less restrictive between the two recent recruitments. (Dropped academic requirements and such)
3. Don’t think it really makes a difference on an individual level. Based on the small sample I have access to I’d say that being an internal is worse, definitely have more strings attached to start date and such. Too bad QF doesn’t recognise group seniority or give guys a number once they’re on the hold file, something for the next EBAs maybe?

Take it all with a truckload of salt, I don’t think HR could give you the answers you’re seeking if they wanted to, let alone random pilots on a rumours forum.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 19:29
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Originally Posted by ClearanceClarence1 View Post
I flew with a management guy recently who said they need 300 pilots next year, 200 retirements through to 2021 and there will be expansion with more routes and more planes ordered. Over the long term they will prefer to take pilots from the group airlines.
I would say this is close to the mark however with the retraining required from the RIN on the 747 plus above the place will go into meltdown.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 21:39
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Originally Posted by ClearanceClarence1 View Post
I flew with a management guy recently who said they need 300 pilots next year, 200 retirements through to 2021 and there will be expansion with more routes and more planes ordered. Over the long term they will prefer to take pilots from the group airlines.
The retirement numbers quoted by AIPA indicate only 76 pilots hitting 65 from 2019- 2021.

2019- 20
2020- 21
2021- 35
2022- 51
2023- 50
2024- 59
2025- 65
2026- 83
2027- 83
2028- 79
2029- 70
2030- 79

Of course many more may retire before 65 and no doubt a number of 744 pilots are likely to go when that fleet goes and distort the numbers over the next couple of years.




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Old 29th Nov 2018, 00:41
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The company is working on 62 average age for retirement. Personally I think it’s closer to 60 then you add in medical retirements as well which will increase the numbers. Lastly, when direct flights start between the east coast of Australia and New York plus London and other parts of Europe these are only available for airlines of the country of origin and destination cutting out fifth and sixth freedom carriers like Emerates and Singair. IMO Qantas will grow very quickly and hence the requirement for lots more pilots.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 02:37
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Impressive AIPA can come up with a breakdown like that. I know its only a rough guide - but at what seniority numbers does each rank start at present (ie WB commands start at 800, WB FO's at 1600, etc etc)?

Curious to see the expected progression, given the historically slow rate at QF.
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 03:26
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Command
East coast wide body- 740
West coast wide body- 850
Adelaide 737- 1400
Perth 737- 1400
MEL 737- 1300
SYD 737- 1000
BNE 737- 1050

F/O
PER 787- 1500
PER A330- 1650
737
PER, ADL- 2470... essentially next vacancies after you join if you have a bid in.
SYD/ MEL- Next Training year after you join.
BNE- 2150

Bottom seniority as at 31 Jul 18 is 2533. Probably 40ish joiners since then.


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Old 29th Nov 2018, 03:46
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Command
East coast wide body- 740
West coast wide body- 850
Adelaide 737- 1400
Perth 737- 1400
MEL 737- 1300
SYD 737- 1000
BNE 737- 1050

F/O
PER 787- 1500
PER A330- 1650
737
Hey Keg,

Any chance you could break this down into an estimated number of years for those on the outside? Say someone was hired as an S/O today, what would a realistic time frame be at least for the east coast 737 F/O bases? I know Perth is fairly low but what about the East Coast?

Thanks in Advance
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Old 29th Nov 2018, 20:04
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Also bear in mind that external factors and Group restructuring drastically affect progression rates, so they’re very hard to predict with much certainty.

The creation of Jetstar with a separate pilot workforce added 8 years. The GFC added 3. The collapse of Ansett offset 9/11.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 06:28
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Originally Posted by *Lancer* View Post
Also bear in mind that external factors and Group restructuring drastically affect progression rates, so they’re very hard to predict with much certainty.

The creation of Jetstar with a separate pilot workforce added 8 years. The GFC added 3. The collapse of Ansett offset 9/11.
The lost decade?
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 06:02
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Has anyone received emails recently from the recruitment team to either proceed to medical stage or hold file status?
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 19:44
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Command
East coast wide body- 24 years.
West coast wide body- 22 years
737 ADL- 17 years.
737 PER- 17 years
737 MEL- 18 years
737 SYD- 19 1/2
737 BNE- 19

F/O
A330 west coast- 13 1/2 years
787 west coast- 15 years
Any chance you can put that on a poster for the coffee shop located near the QCA, QCB, QCC? I bet 99.9% of the customers there have no idea of those numbers. But they do generally like the fact they are separated from the pilot group by a big shiny building and the street.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 04:52
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post

The retirement numbers quoted by AIPA indicate only 76 pilots hitting 65 from 2019- 2021.

2019- 20
2019 will be at least one higher than that....
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Old 20th Dec 2018, 05:37
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Hi,

Looking at joining the mothership.

Could someone give me an indication of the pay.

737 FO
330 SO
787 SO

I presume these would be the lowest rank.
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Old 2nd Jan 2019, 23:30
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787 SO pay $112,000/year once line checked. Current high divisor on the East coast is seeing pay upwards of $140,000 when including allowances (not sure how long it will last..). Expect close to 30 nights away from home every 56 days, best case low 20's when at the top of the squirrel cage on the East coast (unsure about PER base). 330 SO would be on roughly something similar up until the 2.5 year pay rise. 737 FO varies significantly depending on how much you are flying - but would still see an overall increase in pay coming from a 330 or 787 SO position.

As for recruitment - the word just before Xmas from a few at the coal face was external recruitment straight to SO slowing significantly in the new year. Plans for group-wide interview days planned from mid-2019 (ie. attend a QF group interview, then if successful, be drafted to either qlink, JQ, jetconnect, mainline depending on your experience/what the company requires at the time of assessment). Personally not holding my breath on that one - it's been spoken about for a number of years now (but who knows). Also plans to trend back towards interviews that look for more 'pilot like attributes' rather than the current HR storytelling exercise on interview day....... again, not holding my breath.

Mainline hold file currently big enough to sustain training requirements for the short term. Qlink will continue to slowly feed into mainline going forward to stem the flow of pilots to other airlines.

Good luck to all involved
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 12:04
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'Also plans to trend back towards interviews that look for more 'pilot like attributes'

In other breaking news, Price Waterhouse Cooper have announced plans to pivot their selection process toward 'people who are good with numbers'
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 09:02
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has anyone on the hold file been contacted this year re a start date for feb, march or april?
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 03:29
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I know of one guy who was contacted Thursday (10th Jan) with a start date in April
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 08:22
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Internal or external?
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Old 15th Jan 2019, 10:31
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Internal or external?
external recruit
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