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Old 30th Apr 2019, 20:19
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Ralphi,

Is the lengthy training delay at PDT having a noticeable effect on the number of E3 candidates applying there ?
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I dont think Piedmont have taken an E3 in a while.

On the other hand an agency is trying to look like like you are applying to Trans States directly.
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Originally Posted by pilotchute
On the other hand an agency is trying to look like like you are applying to Trans States directly.
Aerocrew Solutions is somehow involved to promote the TSA recruitment of E3s but the listed contact details lead people directly to a TSA recruiter and not Aerocrew Solutions. Not sure what the relationship is between TSA and Aerocrew Solutions but it doesn't appear nefarious. In any event, the end result for the applicant is apparently the same.

https://www.aerocrewsolutions.com/marketing

This below from a very recent AFAP posting:

Contact details:

Nathan Racine
Trans States Airlines' Australian Recruiter
Email your resume via the link below:
For Questions or Calls, Whatsapp: +1 330 958 3848

https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...20by%20Airline

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Old 1st May 2019, 12:15
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The nature of the E3 will dictate that the LCA comes from the employer, not a recruitment agency, and that the pay and benefits are the same.

Aerocrew solutions is probably more likely a bored pilot on an overnight trying to milk referral bonuses.
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Does anybody know if Compass are still taking aussie E3 pilots?
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Hi Havick,

Yes I know of some Aussies who have gone elsewhere due to the delays at PDT in both the interview and training process being inefficient. Having said that it does suit some and we still have people in the pipeline. Best if you can plan ahead and get the ball rolling at 1400hours Tt with the 100night.

The local tap for pilots is dry as the PSA rates have taken all the local applicants over to them. Rumor is those rates will also land at PDT, in the not too distant future

in the past when I went through a 6-11 month training time was common, we had 230 pilots in backlog driving these numbers. With the above the backlog is dropping and has dropped now to 130 pilots in training. When it gets to 60 there will be little delay, so it is already coming down just due to the lack of American applicants here.

I came for #1 travel benefits (worth > $20k USD to me last year) and #2 upgrade. They are still on offer and the need to service the flow will continue to drive upgrades. It could be better here with schedule improvements , but I’m quite happy and it is a world better than my instructing / charter previous gigs.

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Another effect of PDT being short of qualified pilots is OT is freely offered at 4x the reg pay. We have FOs making 8 and CPTs making 11 per month, these are all on the current existing pay scales. Yes you have to work hard, but every extra hour as a FO is an hour closer to upgrade...
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
Does anybody know if Compass are still taking aussie E3 pilots?
I'll guess no on that. But don't bet the rent money on my opinion. These people will likely have a pretty good answer:

%[email protected]. ​

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There are a couple of things to consider before coming here. Keep your eyes wide open.
Compared to Oz, many things are different:
1. You are owned by the companies.
2. Your contract means little, and the company will interpret it in a way to suit themselves.
3. Don't expect 4 weeks paid holiday. You'll probably get 1 week in year one, and 2 in year 2. Receiving 3 or 4 weeks off a year in the regionals is unheard of.
4. Compared to Oz, the cost of living is a lot less. However so is the pay. Long term, and depending on your location, $250,000 can get you a fairly reasonable house. Try that in Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, etc.
5. You may hear of "commuting". This is when you live in a town that may be many hours flight time away from your base. If you have a very good reason to live away from your base, then feel free, however if you've been flying for 9 or 10 hours, adding a few hours commute or a 3 hour drive to your day takes the fun away. Especially if the 6pm flight is full, and then you have to wait for the 9pm flight home.
6. Read up about FAA medicals. If you're over the age of 40, you start the job with a First Class Medical. However, if you are a Co Pilot, this lapses to a Second Class Medical after 6 months, so there's no need to spend money on an unnecessary medical examinations.
7. Speaking of medicals, don't expect your employer to pay for your medical. Or your uniform. Maybe they'll pay airport parking, but the only extra you can expect on top of a sign-on bonus is a "per Diem". This is an hourly rate (generally under $2) that starts ticking over when your duty starts. It is to pay for beer food on your overnights. So in a 24 hour period you'll get $33 to $45 depending on your contract. However 1 x sandwich / salad / meal at a major airport will set you back $10, so many crews have esky bags with iceblocks and chilled meals for their time away from home.
8. The company will contribute to your medical insurance. However you will also see a deduction of $300-$500-$700 a month, depending on your family situation.
9. It is unknown if Mainline (ie: parent) companies like America, United, Delta will sponsor an E3. If you have plans to stay in the USA and want to flow up to the parent company, find yourself a nice Texas cheerleader, and get married.
10. The coffee here is crap.
11. Calling in sick is actually frowned upon (aviation safety, right?), and is a black mark against your record.
12. Petrol here is quite expensive at the moment - around AU$1.07 per liter
13. As a new hire, you may find yourself sitting on reserve for quite some time - maybe several months, from 5am to 7pm. This does not count as duty. After 1 to 4 months you'll "hold a line", in other words bid for, and get a regular series of flights.
14. Every month the company will publish hundreds of flights which are available for bid. They will be awarded on seniority. So you can hopefully select your month's flying and create some sort of life for yourself. However the chances of getting your top 10 or 20 picks will be low for the first 12 to 18 months. (Points 13 and 14 vary a LOT, depending on hiring and turnover of pilots).
15. Once you have carefully selected the flights you want, the company can change this with minimum notice during that month.
16. You know how you thought tomorrow was a day off? Think again.
17. There is an upside. Living in the USA is like living in a movie. It's just a different reality to what people from Oz are used to. Where else can you...:
Go to Maine for lobster, visit the Grand Canyon, do a tour of the Boeing factory, have that selfie outside the Whitehouse, stand in awe under the Space Shuttle Discovery in a museum, roller skate at South Beach Florida?
18. Come if you want. Don't if you don't. But don't get here and whine about your employment conditions, predicated by "back in Oz, we'd....."
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Old 2nd May 2019, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Swear_in_GIN
There are a couple of things to consider before coming here. Keep your eyes wide open.
Compared to Oz, many things are different:
1. You are owned by the companies.
2. Your contract means little, and the company will interpret it in a way to suit themselves.
3. Don't expect 4 weeks paid holiday. You'll probably get 1 week in year one, and 2 in year 2. Receiving 3 or 4 weeks off a year in the regionals is unheard of.
4. Compared to Oz, the cost of living is a lot less. However so is the pay. Long term, and depending on your location, $250,000 can get you a fairly reasonable house. Try that in Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, etc.
5. You may hear of "commuting". This is when you live in a town that may be many hours flight time away from your base. If you have a very good reason to live away from your base, then feel free, however if you've been flying for 9 or 10 hours, adding a few hours commute or a 3 hour drive to your day takes the fun away. Especially if the 6pm flight is full, and then you have to wait for the 9pm flight home.
6. Read up about FAA medicals. If you're over the age of 40, you start the job with a First Class Medical. However, if you are a Co Pilot, this lapses to a Second Class Medical after 6 months, so there's no need to spend money on an unnecessary medical examinations.
7. Speaking of medicals, don't expect your employer to pay for your medical. Or your uniform. Maybe they'll pay airport parking, but the only extra you can expect on top of a sign-on bonus is a "per Diem". This is an hourly rate (generally under $2) that starts ticking over when your duty starts. It is to pay for beer food on your overnights. So in a 24 hour period you'll get $33 to $45 depending on your contract. However 1 x sandwich / salad / meal at a major airport will set you back $10, so many crews have esky bags with iceblocks and chilled meals for their time away from home.
8. The company will contribute to your medical insurance. However you will also see a deduction of $300-$500-$700 a month, depending on your family situation.
9. It is unknown if Mainline (ie: parent) companies like America, United, Delta will sponsor an E3. If you have plans to stay in the USA and want to flow up to the parent company, find yourself a nice Texas cheerleader, and get married.
10. The coffee here is crap.
11. Calling in sick is actually frowned upon (aviation safety, right?), and is a black mark against your record.
12. Petrol here is quite expensive at the moment - around AU$1.07 per liter
13. As a new hire, you may find yourself sitting on reserve for quite some time - maybe several months, from 5am to 7pm. This does not count as duty. After 1 to 4 months you'll "hold a line", in other words bid for, and get a regular series of flights.
14. Every month the company will publish hundreds of flights which are available for bid. They will be awarded on seniority. So you can hopefully select your month's flying and create some sort of life for yourself. However the chances of getting your top 10 or 20 picks will be low for the first 12 to 18 months. (Points 13 and 14 vary a LOT, depending on hiring and turnover of pilots).
15. Once you have carefully selected the flights you want, the company can change this with minimum notice during that month.
16. You know how you thought tomorrow was a day off? Think again.
17. There is an upside. Living in the USA is like living in a movie. It's just a different reality to what people from Oz are used to. Where else can you...:
Go to Maine for lobster, visit the Grand Canyon, do a tour of the Boeing factory, have that selfie outside the Whitehouse, stand in awe under the Space Shuttle Discovery in a museum, roller skate at South Beach Florida?
18. Come if you want. Don't if you don't. But don't get here and whine about your employment conditions, predicated by "back in Oz, we'd....."
Great List!
Can I just add - 19 - Sort of touches on your 18 - But...Don't be an "Austronaut" you don't know more than everyone else and you don't fly better than everyone else. I have started to hear from a few other CAs at my company there are a few Aussie FOs floating around that need an attitude readjustment. Don't be one of those. - Side note: 95% or more are really great guys and gals!
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Old 2nd May 2019, 19:40
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GIN,

What does this mean ?: "You are owned by the companies." Does it mean that it's hard for an E3 to change to another US regional ?

Commuting is torture. Is there a reason why anyone coming here on an E3 would commute vs living in base ?

As for working Ts & Cs, if the airline has a pilot union, these will be codified in the labor contract (for better or worse) which provides a mechanism for addressing abuses. In my experience, ALL airlines push the limits and there are fellow pilots serving on committees to file official objections. You can hear the pilots of DL, AA, UAL, etc. complaining about these things; pilots have gone on strike over it. Nature of the beast.

Vacation ? Using DL as a basis for comparison, a pilot has to finish 5 years before getting more than 2 weeks vacation and 19+ for 5 weeks. I wouldn't expect a regional to be as good as that. Seniority will allow for creative bidding to get more time off even at a regional.

Coffee depends on where you get it. If one goes to Starbucks, it's boiling bilge water for sure.

And, yes, if you want to stay long term, that Texas cheerleader will lead to a green card and you're off and running !

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Old 2nd May 2019, 21:03
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
I'll guess no on that. But don't bet the rent money on my opinion. These people will likely have a pretty good answer:

%[email protected]. ​
Yeh I've emailed twice and tried Facebook also with radio silence. I had seen promos a while back that they were, so was curious if anybody else had some recent info.

I have an interview coming up with Go Jet next week. Anybody with anything good to say or what to expect there? Seem to be mainly negative feedback about them on here. Is this one I definitely want to stay clear of?

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Old 2nd May 2019, 21:50
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It was metaphoric ownership. Your life almost does revolve around work.
I think it's easy to change to another employer on an E3 visa - if they will sponsor you. I understand that you need new sponsorship if you change companies.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 00:52
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Originally Posted by Swear_in_GIN
There are a couple of things to consider before coming here. Keep your eyes wide open.
Compared to Oz, many things are different:


13. As a new hire, you may find yourself sitting on reserve for quite some time - maybe several months, from 5am to 7pm. This does not count as duty. After 1 to 4 months you'll "hold a line", in other words bid for, and get a regular series of flights.
I don't know which company you work for, but calling in sick where I used to work in the USA wasn't a problem. Lots of people I knew did and didn't have any issues. Seems like a safety culture issue where you are. Reserve time does infact count as duty time as I experienced for myself when I started out.

There was also a uniform allowance that was paid to us after the first year, and the company contributed to $70 for our medical so not all US regionals are the same. I'd have to say, pay and conditions are still not the best, but they have improved a lot over the years, but then again, US regionals are seen as a stepping stone to the majors and everyone in the industry understands that. That's why you'll never see mainline conditions at a US regional.

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Some really good points there from Swear_in_GIN.

Just to add to his point about vacation time or there lack off. At the moment I am averaging 15-17 days off per month, with anywhere around 70-80 credit hours per month. So any time I need extended time off, I will bid to have say the last week of the month off, and the first week of the following month off.

At the moment I have about 9 months of seniority and sit about 40% of the way up the list. Bare in mind your millage will vary depending on your airline though, and will change depending on any number of factors.

This post isn't necessarily meant to excuse some of the substandard remuneration, but more an example of how you may be able to make the system work for you.

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Old 3rd May 2019, 03:07
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Originally Posted by Swear_in_GIN
There are a couple of things to consider before coming here. Keep your eyes wide open.
Compared to Oz, many things are different:
1. You are owned by the companies.
2. Your contract means little, and the company will interpret it in a way to suit themselves.
3. Don't expect 4 weeks paid holiday. You'll probably get 1 week in year one, and 2 in year 2. Receiving 3 or 4 weeks off a year in the regionals is unheard of.
4. Compared to Oz, the cost of living is a lot less. However so is the pay. Long term, and depending on your location, $250,000 can get you a fairly reasonable house. Try that in Sydney, Brisbane, Perth, etc.
5. You may hear of "commuting". This is when you live in a town that may be many hours flight time away from your base. If you have a very good reason to live away from your base, then feel free, however if you've been flying for 9 or 10 hours, adding a few hours commute or a 3 hour drive to your day takes the fun away. Especially if the 6pm flight is full, and then you have to wait for the 9pm flight home.
6. Read up about FAA medicals. If you're over the age of 40, you start the job with a First Class Medical. However, if you are a Co Pilot, this lapses to a Second Class Medical after 6 months, so there's no need to spend money on an unnecessary medical examinations.
7. Speaking of medicals, don't expect your employer to pay for your medical. Or your uniform. Maybe they'll pay airport parking, but the only extra you can expect on top of a sign-on bonus is a "per Diem". This is an hourly rate (generally under $2) that starts ticking over when your duty starts. It is to pay for beer food on your overnights. So in a 24 hour period you'll get $33 to $45 depending on your contract. However 1 x sandwich / salad / meal at a major airport will set you back $10, so many crews have esky bags with iceblocks and chilled meals for their time away from home.
8. The company will contribute to your medical insurance. However you will also see a deduction of $300-$500-$700 a month, depending on your family situation.
9. It is unknown if Mainline (ie: parent) companies like America, United, Delta will sponsor an E3. If you have plans to stay in the USA and want to flow up to the parent company, find yourself a nice Texas cheerleader, and get married.
10. The coffee here is crap.
11. Calling in sick is actually frowned upon (aviation safety, right?), and is a black mark against your record.
12. Petrol here is quite expensive at the moment - around AU$1.07 per liter
13. As a new hire, you may find yourself sitting on reserve for quite some time - maybe several months, from 5am to 7pm. This does not count as duty. After 1 to 4 months you'll "hold a line", in other words bid for, and get a regular series of flights.
14. Every month the company will publish hundreds of flights which are available for bid. They will be awarded on seniority. So you can hopefully select your month's flying and create some sort of life for yourself. However the chances of getting your top 10 or 20 picks will be low for the first 12 to 18 months. (Points 13 and 14 vary a LOT, depending on hiring and turnover of pilots).
15. Once you have carefully selected the flights you want, the company can change this with minimum notice during that month.
16. You know how you thought tomorrow was a day off? Think again.
17. There is an upside. Living in the USA is like living in a movie. It's just a different reality to what people from Oz are used to. Where else can you...:
Go to Maine for lobster, visit the Grand Canyon, do a tour of the Boeing factory, have that selfie outside the Whitehouse, stand in awe under the Space Shuttle Discovery in a museum, roller skate at South Beach Florida?
18. Come if you want. Don't if you don't. But don't get here and whine about your employment conditions, predicated by "back in Oz, we'd....."
Who are you working for? While it's beneficial for people to understand that its not all sunshine and roses, a lot of your gripes sounds very airline specific. Are you saying you get junior manned into days off?
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Spot on Swear_in_GIN. Worked at one of the regionals over there and encountered all of that. The coffee is garbage (and the food) but the flying is great.
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Spot on Swear_in_GIN. Worked at one of the regionals over there and encountered all of that.


Yep, GIN put up a good list of potential issues. Best to be informed.
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
Yeh I've emailed twice and tried Facebook also with radio silence. I had seen promos a while back that they were, so was curious if anybody else had some recent info.

I have an interview coming up with Go Jet next week. Anybody with anything good to say or what to expect there? Seem to be mainly negative feedback about them on here. Is this one I definitely want to stay clear of?

Capt.C,

I'm surprised they didn't at least answer your question. How long ago and in what place did you see evidence Compass was taking E3s ? I don't doubt your account but just don't recall seeing that myself.

Can you just formally apply and see what happens ? Could be a bit of work for little result but it might get their attention as they're likely reviewing/acknowledging applications.

As for GoJet, you can always find some negative info on an airline as the naysayers have more motivation to speak out than those happy where they are. If you've gotten nibbles from regionals other than GoJet, that might make your question easier to answer. In any event, good luck in your efforts.

PM sent...not sure if you can receive yet ?

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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
Yeh I've emailed twice and tried Facebook also with radio silence. I had seen promos a while back that they were, so was curious if anybody else had some recent info.

I have an interview coming up with Go Jet next week. Anybody with anything good to say or what to expect there? Seem to be mainly negative feedback about them on here. Is this one I definitely want to stay clear of?
hey mate. I emailed them and they are currently not taking E3s.
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